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Danish Television Documentary:
“Prisoners of the Past”

By David A. Yeagley

Prisoners of the Past,” a documentary made by Danish Television, has been recently posted on the internet.   I was featured in a way I did not anticipate, and I am deeply concerned.  Comanche people were presented in a way which was not anticipated as well, and this makes me even more concerned.  

In March of 2007, I was first contacted by Danish Television through Michaela Kirst, a New York liaison. Poul-Erik Heilbut was putting together an unusual documentary on indigenous peoples around the globe. Naturally, he wanted to feature American Indians, and the personal, psychological experience of American Indians in modern society.  


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In mid-April, he interviewed and filmed me an entire day, at my own home here in Oklahoma City. The next day, I escorted him and his camera crew to Lawton, Oklahoma, where he interviewed selected tribal employees of the Comanche Nation.  I made great effort to insure that the appropriate Comanches were involved, namely Geneva Navarro, (Comanche language speaker and teacher), and Carlotta Nowell, RN, (professional and teacher).  Juanita Pahdopony, an administrator, hosted the Danes. I don’t know that she was interviewed.  I had not given them her name. I had told our chairman, Wallace Coffey, however, about this documentary, as I understood it.  He was out of town at the time of the interviews.  

Heilbut was impressed that the Comanche Nation had its own college, the only tribally owned college in the country.  I said our chairman was progressive, but that at present our college was not accredited. Heilbut was also interested in our casino operations. I told him our operations were distinguished from many “Indian casinos,” because we have avoided most of the socio-economic issues caused by many of the larger casinos on the east and west coasts.  The Comanche Nation has always sought healthy cooperation with the Oklahoma people in Comanche environs.   I knew of no major public issues with the Comanche Nation.   I was proud of that, and commended our leaders.

I did speak, however, of Indian issues on a national level, and noted ideological concepts which apparently cause social inhibition and lack of development.  There are numerous historical images of the American Indian. I led Heilbut through the different images—the host, the warrior, the reservation Indian, the protester, and now the gangster.  

As the film turned out, Heilbut was advocating the idea that it is harmful for indigenous peoples the world over to remain separate, and to refuse assimilation. The film asserts that indigenous peoples suffer psychologically and sociologically devastating consequences from their isolationism.  The reservation concept, according to the film, is disastrous.  

“Prisoners of the Past” does not present false material, or inaccurate material.  It merely presents incomplete material.  Heilbut however insists that the worst of the story is the weight of the story.  The addictions, the physical abuse, poverty, etc., are highest among the reserve peoples of the world.  Depression is rife, and endemic.  This is what is important.

But nowhere does the film deny the right people to maintain their traditions.  Nowhere does the film advocate racial intermarriage. The film does not recommend the elimination of culture.  It simply notes the dangerous effects of social isolationism and separatism.   I don’t see that as mistaken.  

What is mistaken is the fact that the film doesn’t show the other side of cultural preservation, and the indomitable will of certain people to maintain their identity—and the benefit to the world such determination demonstrates.   In an age of multiculturalism, when every culture is threatened, the message of the indigenous ought to be seen as hopeful and encouraging.  

For that, the film exalts the white “indigenous” of northern Scandinavia, the Laplanders (Saami), as greatly superior to the other indigenous peoples of the world, for the Laplanders have been willing to adopt new, modern ways, and as a result are much better off. This is of course, utter prejudice.  The historical and ethnological circumstances of the Laplanders are simply incomparable if not irrelevant. And there are numerous American Indians, for example, who are talented, educated, and modernized, yet who still love living with their own people, and still observe their cultural traditions. The film is completely silent about Indian success stories.

The film is a gross generalization, true.  But, any streak of white superiority in the film might rather be a subliminal  gesture of self-defense, considering the cultural threat Northern Europe currently suffers from the hands of the murderous Mohammadans.  Denmark, in particular, is in an intense cultural identity crisis, fighting for her life.
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     You did a great job in this documentary,I saw it last night,it last for about 60mins,They show parts of the Comanche people,I enjoyed it.

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But it makes our Comanche college look like a big failure.   That was certainly not my intent, nor did Mr. Heilbut give me any indication that he was going to present it in that light.  

I feel terrible about this.  We have a lot going on there!  Carolotta somehow was not included.  We have students who can pass the state board and get their LPN license, and get a job!  At least, that's what I've heard.   Heilbut could have presented that aspect.  

Maybe he showed up on a bad day or something, when the weakest classes were meeting.

Geneva Navarro is one of the most honored Indian laguage teachers in the state of Oklahoma.   One student is shown in class with her.    

And what of the interiew with her, and with Nowell?  

Danish Television did not pay our honorariums, either, nor did they provide us with a copy of the film.  Nor have they communicated with me since they left the states--though I have tried calling and emailing them countless times, and very recently--since it came to my attention that this film was on the internet.
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     I DID SEE THE ONE STUDENT IN THE CLASS ROOM,HOWEVER I SEEN IT AT A  VERY DIFFERNT POINT OF VEIW,THE FACT THERE'S ONE STUDENT ONLY MEANS THAT OUR COMANCHE TRIBE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN SUPPLYING OUR STUDENTS RESOURCES TO CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION,THE MERE FACT WE HAVE A COLLEGE IS REPRESENTATION OF THE PROFESSIONALISM WITHIN OUR TRIBE,MY HEART WENT OUT TO THE COUPLE THAT WAS OUSTED BY HER TRIBE,AND BECAUSE OF MONEY HER DAD DID NOT WANT TO AKNOWLEGE HER.I WOULD BE IN PROTEST TOO


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    I HAD A FEELING THE DANISH LEFT OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF YOUR INTERVIEW?

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Absolutely left it out.  Hours and hours we taped!

But, the part about California tribe, and the things Barbara Lindsay said, this is all terribly true.  Horribly true!  

Our own WarPony, here on BadEagle.com, faces the same thing in his Penchanga tribe.   It is unbelievable what these casinos can do to a tribe.  We must all beware.  

I think the Comanches have done very, very well with this issue.   But, of course, that wasn't part of the film.  The film was to show the worst of the "indigenous" problems.   And Heilbut didn't even get into the real health problems!
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    YOU GET THE FEELING IN YOUR MIND THIS DANISH MEDIA WANTS TO DESTROY THE NATIVES?BUT WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOSE? IT DID KINDA PIEVE ME OFF WHEN THEY DIDNT FINISH YOUR INTERVIEW,YOU GET A MIXED FEELING OF WHO IS TRYING TO HELP OR DESTROY THE NATIVE PEOPLE,ONE WOULD THINK THE NATIVES COULD BE UP LIFTED JUST ONCE IN THEIR LIFE TIME.LIKE I SAID IT WAS A VERY MIXED FEELING,THEY SHOWED INDIAN GOING AGAINST INDIAN,GOVERMENT AGAINST TRIBAL MEMBERS,
THERE IS A POSITIVE SIDE TO ALL THIS,AND IT MAY BE THE REINSTATMENT OF OUSTED MEMBERS?

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The film showed the worst of the problems.  Now, the fact that there are huge success stories doesn't mean that the problems are any less significant or unimportant.

Like I said, I think this film is a kind of reaction against the threat of Danish culture by the Mohammadans, who destory every culture in their path.  

This is a backhand way of waying, hey, everyone needs to assimilate into modernity.

They should say that to the primitive Muslims!  They should worry about their own back yard, I think.

Yet, the film makes an heavy, undeniable point.  I think is good for thinking.

Now, I don't know what happened to the hours upon hours of my inteview!   We did Comanche history, my own family history, national issues for Indian people, etc.  All absent from the film.
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    It all seems to unreal of the fact the Danish would do this ,I like your Therory about Mohamadans but it has to be more than a religion? Lets get to the bottom of this?Why would the Danish even care about the welfare of the Native people? Just dont make sense!



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Dr. Yeagley

Your film is a million times more profound and believable than that stupid, corrupt Swedish piece of crap starring that bubble-boy/Irish poser "Alice Carroll".

The Euro-skank Annika Beanfield who financied that anti-Indian propaganda is publicly lamenting because the film flopped, naturally, here in the states and she was not able to recoup her Euros.

LOL.


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came among us. Whose fault was this?  We lived right as we were taught it..,Chief Red Cloud.
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