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The Great White Woman Speaks
Dr. David Yeagley interviews Ann Coulter.


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Here is the Bad Eagle interview with Ann Coulter, second in our series of interviews with notable commentators, on American Indians.  I think of Ann as the Great White Woman--not to be confused with the Great White Buffalo Woman, of course.  I think Ann represents that fundamental essense of America, and of being American, and I was anxious to obtain her thoughts.  BadEagle.com is very grateful for Ms.Coulter's willingness to share her views.

Dr. Yeagley:  My place in society as an American Indian patriot is regarded as disingenuous by many.  It is an impossibly contradictory position.  My European Jewish friends have compared it to a Jew honoring the Nazi regime for its strength and greatness.  (This analogy breaks down completely, however, once you look at it closely.)  How do you see my position?  I ask you this, because I trust in your concepts of Americanism.

Ann Coulter: Tell your Jewish friends to grow some balls. No Jewish Republican would say that to you.  It is absolutely outrageous.  This is your homeland, too.  I assume you don't want it attacked anymore than the rest of us do -- and Indians are in far better position to do something about it, inasmuch as they do have balls.

Indians are a great warrior people, like Southerners.  Their courage is admired by all real Americans.  Witness the decision of a lowly Ohio family to name their squalling baby boy after an Indian chief who led his nation against U.S. authorities:  William TECUMSEH Sherman.

All Army helicopters are named after Indian tribes -- Kiowa, Apache, Cherokee. The Code Talkers were Indians. Their honor is made irrevocably secure by this valorous service.

In the book, U.S. Marine Corps Story, J. Robert Moskin describes the first six men who raised a small American flag at Mt. Suribachi during the Battle of Iwo Jima.   One of the six was Private Louis Charlo, Crow Indian.   When the flag went up, James V. Forrestal said, "The raising of the flag means a Marine Corps will exist for the next 500 years."  

Later, a larger American flag was put up by another group of Marines -- the flag in the famous photo.  One of those six men was Ira Hayes, Indian.

Two Indians helped raise the flags at Iwo Jima.  I think that settles the question of Indians' patriotism.



The record of Medals of Honor won by Indians is astonishing.  Their service in the military is well known to every American who is not a half-wit—i.e. everyone but liberals.

Speaking of liberals, the Hollywood movie about the code runners, "Windtalkers" dishonestly suggests that the U.S. Marines would kill the code talkers rather than let them fall into enemy hands -- as if the White Man considered Indians expendable.  This is an invented racist atrocity.  It doesn't even make sense. The code talkers could have chattered away on open phone lines and the Japanese wouldn't have been able to break it.   You couldn't break Navajo.  Navajo is virtually unlearnable without total immersion.  You had to be brought up in it.

Another interesting fact about Indians: As a group, they are generally immune from a fear of heights, which is why iron workers are disproportionately Indians.   You'll see them casually eating their lunches on iron beams 40 stories in the sky.

The relationship of the White Man to the Indians is a complicated history.  By the standards of the world at that time, it was better than most.  African Muslims were still enslaving anyone they could get hands on well into the 19th century

Even so, it depended on where you were. It's not as simple as saying: In every encounter, Whites were scum.  Some tribes were dealt with decently, others were treated shamefully, and some Indians were scum themselves.

The Apaches and Iroquois were brutal mothers -- not only to the White Man, but to other Indians.  In fact, a lot of the initial contacts between European settlers and Indians in the East -- we're required not to know this now - consisted of completely unprovoked attacks by the Indians.

It was the Cherokees who really got screwed, which was entirely the doing of racist scumbag Andrew Jackson, Democrat. Jackson broke treaties, evicted the Cherokees and sent them off to Oklahoma.  Did I mention that Jackson was a Democrat?

In New England, the settlers were perfectly fair to the Indians -- much nicer than the Spanish were.  The French were supposedly the most benign, but that's because the French never sent people to America in great numbers (which is a relief, otherwise we'd have even more lefty cowards in the U.S. than we already have). The French just wanted to trade with the Indians, while the English were interested in acquiring land.  But the first instinct of the English was to make treaties with the Indians and purchase their land, not to steal it.

The worst thing that happened to the Indians in New England was that they had no immunity from European diseases like smallpox.  Despite the claims of semi-retards like fake-Indian Ward Churchill, it is preposterous that this was done intentionally. Louis Pasteur didn't figure out how diseases were transmitted until the late 19th century.  Even then, his discovery was met with skepticism.  The settlers wouldn't have known enough about transmission of diseases to do it on purpose.

Violating Indian treaties was generally not official government policy -- except in the case of President Andrew Jackson (Democrat).  The U.S. government usually tried to abide by its treaties with the Indians.  The problem was that settlers just kept moving into Indian territories and the government didn't stop them -- much like illegal immigration today.  

Republicans have a good record on Indians because we admire fighters. From George Washington and the Federalists to Richard Nixon, right-wingers have treated Indians well. Even when Democrats were supposed to be the big multicultural party, the one Indian in the Senate, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, became a Republican.  It was Democrats like Andrew Jackson who were vicious racists toward the Indians. All true right-wingers are big Indian fans.

Dr. Yeagley: What is your opinion of the Reservation system in principle?  These reservations were won by blood of course.  Indians are proud of this.  Indians were the first foreign nations the United States ever made treaties with.  Having said that, how do you see their function in America?  Are they 'nations within a nation,' to create an unwanted balkanization, or are they immutable historical tokens, to the honor of both America and Indians?

Ann Coulter:  Yes, the White Man was happy with reservation system when they couldn't imagine why anyone would want to live on them, but as soon as oil was discovered some White Men -- we call them "Democrats" -- reneged on the deal.   Add this to your list of reasons why a Democrat should never sit in the Oval Office.

I like the idea of Indian reservations as tax-free zones and support the preservation of Indian reservations as a salute to a brave culture.  But ridiculous court rulings have made reservations havens for gambling, which is a real sickness.  I'm against that.

Dr. Yeagley:  How do you regard race, in general?  Is it something to be honored and preserved, or something to 'overcome,' in the Communist (Leftist) sense of erasing all boundaries and borders of all kinds, psychological, physical, genetic, etc.?

Ann Coulter:   Well, clearly not the latter.

Vive la difference.  Celebrate and cherish racial differences, but under American law, race should not confer special rights or burdens.  I think it should be marketplace, with good racial characteristics being absorbed by the general population and the bad ones discarded.  I am sure people can handle these transactions without the assistance of federal judges.

Dr. Yeagley: What do you think of Indian casinos in general, and specifically of the idea of land-to-trust, where a tribe buys up land (often of its choice--unconnected to historical ownership) to build more casinos?  

Ann Coulter:  I'm against casino gambling, so I'm certainly against spreading it.

Dr. Yeagley:  What is your basic concept of a nation?  Certainly, America is the exception to many historical precedents.  But, if America is a nation, where do Indian nations 'fit in,' and how?   Indian nations, such as the Comanche, or the Apache, or the Sioux, have their own language, their own religion, their own culture, and their own general geographic locales.  Are they therefore nations?

Ann Coulter:  They are a nationality, as distinct a group within America as the Mormons, the Amish, Hassidic Jews, and the Osbourne family.   But all are free to run their affairs pretty much as they please within very wide limits.  We're a free country.

Dr. Yeagley:  How do you view the idea of Indian mascots for sports teams, or Indian names for states, roads, buildings, companies, creeks, rivers, counties, etc?   Does America want an entire ethnic cleansing of all things Indian?  Like, a visual genocide?  What do you think is really behind this trend to remove Indian images from the country?

Ann Coulter: This is a completely synthetic issue ginned up by idiot liberals to create more whining victims, i.e., key Democratic constituents. The idea that Indian mascots are condescending toward Indians is insane. The mascots are a sign of genuine admiration. No one wants his team to be the "Jewish accountants" or the "Stuffed shirt WASPs."  No one's ever protested those Army helicopters.

It reminds me of phony Asians complaining about Americans who think Asians are industrious and law abiding - a "model minority."  Oh, isn't that a terrible thing to say about people?  Try a little harder to find something to be oppressed about.

What's degrading is the idea that Indians need the protection of American liberals.  Liberals want to convert the image of the Indian from noble warrior to whining victim in need of liberals' tender mercies. Indians don't ask for pity and they certainly don't need liberal sympathy.

Republicans consider Indians valued and honored members of our community and view them with real veneration -- not the sentimental crap you get from liberals.  Fenimore Cooper established the Indian as the archetype of American freedom.  Note that Cooper was a Federalist.

Oh and by the way, the very same liberals who pretend to worship the primitive aspects of Indian culture and tell us we all have to live in teepees in order to avert "global warming" went ballistic when actual Indians tried to go whaling.   The rest of us are supposed to live like the Indians, but Greenpeace sued to prevent the Indians from living like the Indians.   Okay, fine, we'll live like the Indians, but start getting used to a fair amount of cruelty to animals.

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Great interview, Doc! Though I don't care for Ms.Coulter she is an in-your-face woman, like myself, so I admire that about her, but she's not great IMHO.  I wonder what all the feminists think of her?  :laugh: Most are probably envious IMHO.

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The Apaches and Iroquois were brutal mothers -- not only to the White Man, but to other Indians.  


We were only brutal because we were protecting the homeland from invaders!

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The worst thing that happened to the Indians in New England was that they had no immunity from European diseases like smallpox.  Despite the claims of semi-retards like fake-Indian Ward Churchill, it is preposterous that this was done intentionally. Louis Pasteur didn't figure out how diseases were transmitted until the late 19th century.  Even then, his discovery was met with skepticism.  The settlers wouldn't have known enough about transmission of diseases to do it on purpose.


I've often wondered why Churchill never addressed this.  Maybe he should go back and redo biology 101.  :laugh:

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Republicans have a good record on Indians because we admire fighters. From George Washington and the Federalists to Richard Nixon, right-wingers have treated Indians well. Even when Democrats were supposed to be the big multicultural party, the one Indian in the Senate, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, became a Republican.  It was Democrats like Andrew Jackson who were vicious racists toward the Indians. All true right-wingers are big Indian fans.


I've often raised the issue with the Churchill supporters at CUBoulder in regards to what Nixon did for Indians.  No one seems to get it.  Too much indoctrination by Churchill.

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This is a completely synthetic issue ginned up by idiot liberals to create more whining victims, i.e., key Democratic constituents. The idea that Indian mascots are condescending toward Indians is insane. The mascots are a sign of genuine admiration. No one wants his team to be the "Jewish accountants" or the "Stuffed shirt WASPs."  No one's ever protested those Army helicopters.

It reminds me of phony Asians complaining about Americans who think Asians are industrious and law abiding - a "model minority."  Oh, isn't that a terrible thing to say about people?  Try a little harder to find something to be oppressed about.

What's degrading is the idea that Indians need the protection of American liberals.  Liberals want to convert the image of the Indian from noble warrior to whining victim in need of liberals' tender mercies. Indians don't ask for pity and they certainly don't need liberal sympathy.

Republicans consider Indians valued and honored members of our community and view them with real veneration -- not the sentimental crap you get from liberals.  Fenimore Cooper established the Indian as the archetype of American freedom.  Note that Cooper was a Federalist.

Oh and by the way, the very same liberals who pretend to worship the primitive aspects of Indian culture and tell us we all have to live in teepees in order to avert “global warming” went ballistic when actual Indians tried to go whaling.   The rest of us are supposed to live like the Indians, but Greenpeace sued to prevent the Indians from living like the Indians.   Okay, fine, we'll live like the Indians, but start getting used to a fair amount of cruelty to animals.


I am still sitting on the fence with this one - the mascot issue.  I've often wondered why Indians are not protesting the army helicopters either, but maybe "mascot" covers that area too!  I don't know.

It was contradicting the whaling issue and Greenpeace, but I don't think we're cruel to animals like she says.  I've always learned that you prayed over the spirit of the animal, not just go out and kill it with malice or for anything that the earth provides for our sustenance to survive.

Great piece overall.
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You're right about the attitude toward animals, RN.  Prayer, offering, all things of this sentiment, were felt toward the animal.  Killed for food, clothing, and shelter, never for sport.

Of course, this sentiment was not picked up on by the majority of white folks.  To them, killing an animal is killing an animal, period.  Trapping, shooting, even poisoning, for whatever reasons at hand.  Food is only one reason.

I think Ann's point, however, is still the same.  Indians killed a lot of animals.   She's joking about the "cruelty" thing.  That's a barb at the PETA people, and the inconsistency that the great "naturalist" liberals pounced on the Makah Indians for wanting to kill one or two whales a year!

I don't think Indians ever tried to enlarge the breast of chickens, however.  Now that's what Pammie's upset about.  Remember?

And by the way, I'll never tell some of the rather "cruel and unusual" techniques of "motherhood" among the Comanche...
I think Ann was talking about this sort of thing, and not particularly the Indian female disposition toward the white invaders.
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You have to tell it.
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What, and reveal the secret of my 'success'?   :;):
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By the way, I must remind Indians that I proposed these questions simply to get comments from the shoulder.  These interview are thoughtful, of course, but they are not the result of years of 'scholarly' research.  I want the truth about how people feel about Indians.  Particularly white conservative people.  

I'm not afraid to hear it.  I think Indians need to hear it.  You can't have real dialogue unless you know what the other person feels.  I say Indians should be macho, again, in this modern age, and start all over with the communications.  We should take the initiative.

Yes, the last 40 years of "liberal" Indian posturing by the professional protesters has really muddied up everyone's feelings--including Indians' feelings, but, we should be willing to make the effort to clear up as much of that as we can.

Why, with a little cooperation from people like Ann Coulter, Ilana Mercer, and the others I have asked, and continue to ask, why, we can have this matter cleared up in no time. :;):

My suggestion here is that a lot of white conservatives aren't sure of what they feel, or certainly not sure of how to say it.  Indians are left with doubts and worries that really may not need to be there at all.
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Doc

Obviously the Jewish friend you were speaking to wasn't me.
The more secular types tend to be Europhiles.
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Just proved to me that Miss Coulter is the intelligent lady I presumed her to be.

Sure wish you'd have set me up on a date with her though.


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Beak, since when were you European?  :)
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You have a point there as my people left long ago.
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