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Communism and Nazism
By David Yeagley

Communism led to more genocide than Nazism, including the mass persecution of Jews by Russian Communists—many of which were Jewish.  Yet, the Nazi German Holocaust is remembered as the great sin against Jewish people.  Why?  Why the diverted attention from the horrors—against Jews—perpetrated by Communism?  Why is Nazi Germany’s the greater sin?  

Communism, as a formal ideology, was developed by a German Jew, Karl Marx (1818-1883), son of a long line of rabbis, in fact.  (Karl’s father apparently converted to Christianity, and died when Karl was 20.) Communism is wholly hedonistic, with materialism alone as the rule of equality.   It is truly a godless approach to social order, aggrandizing class envy.  


Karl Marx, 1818-1883

Communism developed into government forms which exercised the most systematically cruel and brutal oppression known in modernity.  Harvard’s Black Book of Communism (1999) suggests that some 20 million people were slaughtered, starved, or otherwise killed in Russia alone, by Russian Communism.  (Stephane Courtois notes that mass murder by the state was by no means a Nazi invention, p.10.  He also notes the inexplicable absence of emphasis on the crimes of Communism in comparison, p.17, and Jewish silence on the matter, p.19.) Nazi Germany eliminated some 25 million people in total. Communism’s combined regimes destroyed 100 million. And Communism was characterized by leading ethnicities destroying their own people.  

The ironies of the profound involvement of Russian Jews in the leadership and influence of Communism and the resultant persecution of Jews in Russia are untouched in Western history books.  Certainly, popular impressions do not consider this impossible conflict of interest.  Famous Jewish “Bolsheviks” (like Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Rykov and Radek) certainly made Communism seem like a Russian Jewish invention.   Forget the German Jew, Karl Marx.  Maybe they were just trying to survive, but, outside Russia, even in Communist movements, Jews were still resented.  Ukraine, for instance, hotly resisted Jewish Communists, and worked to expel them from the land as early as 1919.  

Of course, no one hated Jews more pathologically than Adolf Hitler. But Hitler also hated Communism. Why? Wasn’t he himself a kind of ‘uprising peasant’?  When he invaded Russia, he was determined to eliminate “all Jews and Communists.” The two were equated, the people and the ideology—ever so conveniently.  

But the fact is Russian Communists were resentful of Jewish Communists well after WWII. Consider the infamous "Doctors’ Plot" of 1953, in which a group of Jewish doctors were accused of plotting to eliminate Russian government leadership.  (Modern American liberals would be tempted to call that Russian McCarthyism!)  Nicolas Werth suggests that Stalin may have been planning a final campaign against Soviet Jews (p.265).  

Of course, many Russian Jews, Communist but persecuted nonetheless, fled to America.  Thus, the Russian Jew came to dominate the modern American image of the Jew.   Communism became Leftism, or Liberalism.  Many Jews still believed in the principles of German Jew Karl Marx, plain and simply:  coerced redistribution of wealth, and the dissolution of boundaries which contribute to material inequality, including national, racial, ethnic, religious, and linguistic differences.  

Courtois says again, “Soviet Russia prefigured the Nazi-Soviet pact of 1939, when, according to Jorge Semprum, ‘the truly convergent nature of all totalitarian systems was revealed,’” p.302.  Communism is an agony, a horrid curse—as has been practiced.   The ideology of materialist equality is implemented only by the most heartless, genocidal operations known to man.  Karl Marx never actually advocated that.  He believed Communism could be achieved through the ideology of “democracy.”  It was Lenin who decided force was the more timely, efficient way.


Jorge Semprum, poet, philosopher.

In any case, there is an abundance of anti-Semitism based on the historical involvement of Russian Jews in the advancement of Communism. Even the modern emphasis on the Nazi Holocaust has not erased that intimate association of Jews with Communism—despite the persecution of Jews by Communists. Modern Jewish conservatism and the Jewish Right have not yet overcome that pestilential affinity.  Why?  Liberalism is alive and well in the United States, and Jews make up only a very small part of that social state.  The numbers comprise White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.  

In Ann Coulter’s Treason (2003), the revelation is terse and terrifying:  “Protecting traitors was part of the bonhomie of the ruling class.  It was as if the WASPs had developed some xxy chromosome that led to overt treason” (p.83).  

Coulter more recently addressed this issue of Communism vs. Naziism on the media’s Jewish hit parade: "liberals don't mind murder, they just pretend to when convenient in order to advance socialism."

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This is one puzzling article that David has published here. The history behind this has always mixed up everyone trying to figure it out, myself as well. I have tried in years past to make some sense out of it and never could! The historical books on the Bolshevik revolution I read also showed after the communist tookover after the deaths of the Czar and his family members some 1,000 commisars who ruled over the vast countryside as sorta equivalent to large county commissioners or something were all Jewish appointees out of approximately 1,700 commisars altogether.  After the 1917 takeover some 50 million christians were systematically shot and throwed in snow banks all over Russia.  No doubt Hitler was the most gross persecutor in his methods of dealing with Jewish people, but the Russian Jewish relationship has always been an anomaly to me to try and understand. It has to be something more of a cultural attachment than religious. I guess we may get a taste of that kind of relationship here in this country as some of the more shady less mainstream ones from those two groups take more hold on the power reigns of this country as is shown by the attached article below.
 

The Russian-Israeli Mafia: Off-limits to FBI, US intelligence
By Wayne Madsen

Jul 11, 2008, 00:19

(WMR) -- The same cancer that bankrupted the Soviet Union and the early Russian Federation, namely the Russian-Israeli Mafia -- the global organized crime syndicate that uses Israeli government protection and passports to cover their illegal worldwide activities -- has so thoroughly permeated the American political and business system that the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies are virtually powerless to bring the major perpetrators to justice.

Across the United States, FBI agents have been hamstrung by the Justice and Homeland Security Departments, led by two individuals, Michael Mukasey and Michael Chertoff, whose close links to the Russian-Israeli Mafia in New York and New Jersey have seen case after case involving Russian-Israeli mobsters going un-investigated and virtually ignored.

In fact, the National Security Agency (NSA), FBI, and the military intelligence services have seen their ranks of Russian linguists slashed by the Bush administration. In most cases, Russian-Israeli mobsters use their native Russian language in their telephone conversations and email communications. Only recently, perhaps owing to a shift within the Defense Department led by Robert Gates, has the NSA began re-hiring Russian linguists, although at a very slow pace.

Neo-con outlets such as The Daily Telegraph in Great Britain, which has also witnessed an infiltration of its government, law enforcement, and intelligence services by individuals linked to the Russian-Israeli mob, are now complaining that there are so many Russian Federal Security Bureau (FSB) agents in Britain that MI-6, MI-5, and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) are finding it difficult to battle “Islamist terrorists.” However, the FSB is primarily a law enforcement agency that has been waging battle against the Russian-Israeli Mafia, particularly its major backers like exiled Russian-Israeli oligarch Boris Berezovsky who have been granted protection by the British government while they plan subversive activities against Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

In fact, as seen in the poisoning of Russian ex-FSB and KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London, there are solid links between Berezovsky, the Russian-Israeli Mafia, and Islamist guerrillas in Chechnya and abroad. However, British intelligence, which recently suffered a major blow with the strange illness that struck the Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), Alex Allan, who was found in a coma and covered with blood in his Hammersmith apartment in the London suburbs, has been unable to crack down on the Russian-Israeli Mafia infiltration of Britain since the billions of pounds in dirty money has made its way into the coffers of top Labor and Conservative politicians.

Allan reportedly had plans to return to Freemantle, Australia, where he lived with his Australian-born wife before she died of cancer. Allan had been the British High Commissioner in Canberra before moving back to London to serve as JIC Chairman. As JIC Chairman, Allan coordinated the activities of MI5, MI6, and GCHQ. The last high-ranking British spy to take up residence in Australia was the late Peter Wright, whose book “Spycatcher,” detailed past secret activities of MI6 and MI5. Attempts by the Margaret Thatcher government to have the book’s publication banned in Australia were unsuccessful.

The United States is only second to Britain in infiltration by the Russian-Israeli gangsters in the highest echelons of government. The Bush administration has ignored INTERPOL arrest warrants and requests for information issued on behalf of Russia for wanted Russian-Israeli billionaires like Leonid Nevzlin, Boris Berezovsky, aka Platon Elenin (suspected by Russian authorities of links to the assassinations of Litvinenko and Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya), Arkady Gaydamak, Semyon “Sam” Kislin, Michael Chernoy, and others.

The Russian-Israeli interference in the law enforcement activities of the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) have hobbled major investigations to the detriment of the national security of the United States. The FBI investigation of the assassination of retired CIA Houston station chief Roland “Tony” Carnaby, who was investigating Israeli Mossad and Russian-Israeli mob activities in the Houston area, has been relegated to a low-level and non-descript national security investigation by FBI higher ups. The DEA and FBI investigations of the activities of Israeli “art students” and “movers” in the months leading up to the 9/11 attacks were similarly stymied by the direct orders of then-FBI director Louis Freeh and Attorney General John Ashcroft, according to a major wire service journalist who covered the Justice Department. The Boston-based Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), funded by wealthy Jewish American private contributors and the Israeli government, “threatened” media outlets, including the Associated Press, who continued to report on the activities of the Israeli art students and movers.

The FBI has also ignored the massive thefts of personal data of American citizens. WMR has previously reported that most of the major thefts are part of a covert operation by the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security to pick up where Iran-contra felon Admiral John Poindexter left off with his aborted Total Information Awareness (TIA) system, designed to collect the most personal details of American citizens in a massive database. A February 27, 2008, truck theft of backup data tapes from Bank of New York Mellon Corporation’s Jersey City Shareholder Services unit has the hallmarks of an organized crime heist. Shareholders of the Walt Disney Company, John Hancock Financial Services (a division of Manulife Financial Corporation), People’s United Bank of Connecticut, and the Bank of New York were informed that their stock sale transactions may have been compromised. WMR has learned that Disney stock holders were not officially informed of the theft of their data until June 13, 2008, four months later. Perhaps not coincidentally, a number of Israeli-owned computer services companies are now offering protection against data theft to potential customers. In addition, Kislin was linked to a money laundering scandal involving the Bank of New York, now Bank of New York Mellon. WMR previously reported on the Bank of New York (BONY) scandal and the Russian-Israeli mob:

“Forest Hills has been identified by the FBI as a major center for both the Russian-Israeli Mafia and Mossad and it is a place where the two interests often cooperate. In 2002, OPERATION SPIDERWEB, a joint FBI-EUROPOL operation, resulted in the arrest of 20 Russian-Israeli dual citizens on charges of money laundering. The laundering primarily involved the Bank of New York (BONY), the Russian bank Menatep, and an ‘Internet bank’ called the European Union Bank. More importantly, the money laundering network also included Benex, a firm connected to Bill Clinton-pardoned Mossad figure Marc Rich, who still resides primarily in Switzerland. . . . Benex’s office was located on Queens Boulevard in Forest Hills in the same building where Grigori Loutchansky headquartered two of his companies. Loutchansky is a Latvian-born Israeli who laundered billions through his Vienna-based NORDEX firm. National Security Agency (NSA) signals intercepts have reportedly yielded intelligence on Loutchansky’s role in the smuggling of nuclear materials. Loutchansky also was closely linked to Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign through New York real estate magnate and Democratic donor Sam Dombs. . . . Forest Hills was also the hometown of international diamond dealer Yehuda Abraham, convicted in a plot to smuggle surface-to-air missile launchers from Russia into the United States, mere four months after 9/11, and launder the proceeds from the deal through Malaysia. The network was discovered to have links with the Viktor Bout weapons smuggling network and money laundering facilities linked to ‘Al Qaeda’ Southeast Asia affiliate Jemaah Islamiyah. Abraham, an Afghan Jew, was linked not only to Mossad but to the Saudi Royal Family.”

It is now being reported that John McCain has a severe gambling addiction, evidenced by his long bouts with the craps tables in Las Vegas. There are reports that convicted GOP lobbyist and Russian-Israeli mob money launderer Jack Abramoff traded favors with McCain and Alabama Governor Bob Riley, who, through election malfeasance, cost Democratic Governor Don Siegelman his governorship in 2002 and then proceeded to engage in a criminal conspiracy to indict and convict Siegelman on trumped up charges.

A set of emails sent between Abramoff and Tom DeLay’s Communications Director in December 2002, emails that were never produced by McCain’s Indian Affairs Committee, show that Abramoff was conspiring with Riley, a casino gambling opponent, to keep gambling from the Poarch Creek Indian Reservation to benefit gambling on the Coushatta Indian Reservations in Mississippi. The email also describes efforts between Mississippi Republican Governor Haley Barbour and Maryland Republican Governor Bob Ehrlich to bring casino gambling to Indian reservations in their states. Ehrlich and his staff were targets of a federal investigation linking them to a prostitution ring involving Pamela Martin & Associates escorts and Shirlington Limousine, which ferried escorts on behalf of individuals and lobbyists linked to Abramoff in the Washington, DC and Baltimore areas. That investigation was shut down after George W. Bush’s re-election in 2004.

McCain has also been linked to Russian aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska, another member of the Russian Mafia who has been denied an entry visa to the United States. Deripaska, unlike his Russian Jewish comrades, has maintained good links to Putin. Deripaska has also figured prominently as a supplier of aluminum to the European Airbus aircraft frames to be used in the production of the US Air Force tanker plane, a contract pushed hard by McCain and his top campaign advisers, some of whom were lobbyists for Airbus.

The Russian-Israeli mob infiltration of the McCain campaign is only the continuation of a cancerous infiltration of the American body politic that began with the takeover of the Senate office of Washington’s Henry “Scoop” Jackson by anti-Soviet Jewish “neo-conservatives” in the early 1970s and blossomed into the full scale coup witnessed in the presidential election of 2000.

Previously published in the Wayne Madsen Report.

Copyright © 2008 WayneMadenReport.com

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and nationally-distributed columnist. He is the editor and publisher of the Wayne Madsen Report.
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Well, the short explanation is, there are different Jewish people who have different values.   It is a divided camp, just like any other people, any other nation, any other religion.  I don't think that's that part that is unusual or puzzling.

It's the part about options for hating Jews, right?  You can hate them because theyr'e communist; you can hate them because they're Russian bankers; you can hate them because they are Jewish, etc.   Everyone is always free to hate them.  This is no particular distinction or intellectual accomplishment.  

I think the challenge is to understand why there are such distinct, different camps within the Jewish people.  Anciently, maybe it's like the school of Hillel and Shammai (constrast).  Maybe the modern political divisions are an intellectual reincarnation of some kind, a new genetic manifestation of opposing views.

When I was as Yale Divinity, we heard a lecture of Aiden Steinsaltz, a Talmudic scholar (elderly at the time, now deceased).  He posited the idea that the 1st century schools of Hillel and Shammai actually form the basis of Western scientific investigative methodology.   Constant effort to consider all possible angles on any subject.  One must consciously break down any subject into all possible parts, and examine all possibilities for each part.

In any case, the use of the term "mafia" could be very misleading and inaccurate.  Mafia implies illegal.  What is legal and illegal in Russia?  The rule of law--i.e., dictatorship, went out with the Soviet Union.  "Mafia" is a nice, exciting term, but, quite ill defined, I'm afraid, when applied to modern Moscow.   That actually reflects American moral values...

Hitler thought Israel was going to be a "haven for criminals," and a "university for budding crooks."   Do you want to go there?  

Just remember:  there are good Jews, and bad Jews.  Just like there are in any other group.   People always tend to forget that.
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Madsen is out of line here, seems to me.  No references, no links, nothing but blanket, unqualified, unsubstantiated statements.  I sure wouldn't want to stake any position on this kind of article.  

I will admit, however, there is evil in the world.  It is difficult to know who is behind what.  On the other hand, preoccupation with conspiracy and secret take-overs is not healthy and leads to a lot of frustration.  There's nothing anyone can do about it anyway.   The deeper the conspiracy conceived, the more helpless (and upset) the person considering it.
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Karl Marx (1818-1883), son of a long line of rabbis, in fact.  (Karl’s father apparently converted to Christianity, and died when Karl was 20.)


He may have been from a long line of rabbis, but Marx himself was not a Jew. As you mention, his parents converted. In fact it was before he was born, and just to be sure, Karl underwent a formal conversion when he was 4 year sold. Marx was in fact an anti-Semite, publishing an anti-Semitic tract called On the Jewish Question.

I have always felt that high number of Russia's early communists who came from Jewish backgrounds was a direct result of the centuries of Tsarist policies that were specifically directed to separating Russia's Jews from their beliefs and their morality. It was in a very real sense, a form of blow back.

It is well documented that far from Jewish communities benefiting from their former members being in the new leadership, the strong arm of the new communist state was directed against them, as the new commissars had to prove themselves as no longer being tainted by their Jewish background. Of course what goes around comes around, and most of them didn't survive the Stalin years.

I thank G-d my great grandparents had the good sense to get the hell out.


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After the 1917 takeover some 50 million christians were systematically shot and throwed in snow banks all over Russia.


That's not quite true on several levels. Famine killed more than guns. Its hard to get accurate figures, but assuming 50 million is accurate, they weren't all Christians. Russia's Jews and Muslims were proportionately represented. The roots of the Chechnya wars go back the Stalin years.  

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Madsen is out of line here, seems to me.  No references, no links, nothing but blanket, unqualified, unsubstantiated statements.  I sure wouldn't want to stake any position on this kind of article.


If you read much of Wayne Madsen you will find that this is his typical M.O.

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When I was as Yale Divinity, we heard a lecture of Aiden Steinsaltz, a Talmudic scholar (elderly at the time, now deceased).


I'm pleased to say that Rabbi Steinsaltz is still alive and quite active. He couldn't have been that elderly when you saw him, he is only around 71 now. It must have been his impressive beard.
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It would be interesting to know if any of the leaders of the  egalitarian, leftist movement in France --- The French Revolution were Jewish.

I need to point out that one of the first, murderous, rampages by egalitarians was not Jewish, but protester inspired and created...Anabaptists.


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Blast those damn French!



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The Jewish community in France was one of the oldest in Europe. Jews were among the founders of the French wine industry. Some of the oldest examples of written French, come from Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaki, usually referred to as "Rashi", the Jewish sage, and vintner, who lived and wrote around 1,000 years ago.

That being said, there were Jews among the French revolutionaries. Zalkind Hourwitz, who was actually a Polish Jew comes to mind. In August 1789, the French National Assembly issued its Declarations of the Rights of Man and of the Citizens, with its assertion, "All men are born and remain free and equal in rights". This brought about the question, very real at time, did this include Jews? The Count of Clermont-Tonnerre spelled out how this would work. "The Jews should be denied everything as a nation, but granted everything as individuals... It is intolerable, that the Jews should become a separate political formation or class within the country. Every one of them must individually become a citizen; if they do not want this, they must inform us and we shall then be compelled to expel them."

France was the first country in Europe to emancipate Jews. I think this was the beginning of the idea of a Jewish citizenship, which we take largely for granted in the United States. It also has to be said that many of the great rabbis of the day were very much against this, as they saw as leading to assimilation away from Judaism.

There is a lot of conspiracy theory of Jewish financiers behind the French Revolution. They were financing both sides
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I think it is important to point out that Jews got into the business of banking and medicine, in old Europe, because they were banned from so many other professions.  Money lending and medicine were two of the most suspect, mistrusted, despised professions known in civilization.

That they should be obliged to practice such professions, then turn out to be profoundly successful in both, only shows the special talents!

Of course, in 1st century rabbinical literature, Jewish doctors were despised as crooks!  In the "crafts of robbers," no doubt because they preyed on the rich, since the poor couldn't pay anything...

See, Joachim Jeremias, Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus (Fortress, 1969), pp.304, ff.  

People tend to blame the Jews for their success.   This can be nothing but envy.   Communist-style, really.  Why, the reason I can't get ahead is because a Jew is ahead of me.  He has prevented me.  He has kept me from the same success.  He has wronged me.  I hate him, etc., etc.
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And always remember the movie industry.  In the beginning, no one saw any value to that weird and useless "moving picture" phenomenon, the funny motion, the mockery of human movement, etc.   No one was interested.

Some Jewish folks saw a future in it.   They invested.  They were right.   Now everyone blames the Jews for "controlling" the movie industry, with the immorality, the Communist, anti-American values, etc., etc.  

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