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David Yeagley 
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,04:59 |
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By David Yeagley
Some white women feel they own American Indians. In their hearts they feel responsible for Indians, and see them as poor and needy children whom they must love and save. But is the beautiful white woman savior really helping Indians today?
She’s certainly different from her historical counterpart. She’s on the same mission to save the “dusky heathen” through her superior social and racial status. But she doesn’t bring the Bible and Christian education with her any more, like she did in Edwin H. Blashfield’s “Spirit of the West,” the famous historical mural painted on the wall of the Governor’s office in Pierre, South Dakota. In 1910, the only solution for Indian problems was Christian religion and learning.
Blashfield’s paintings typically symbolized westward progress as great white women, bringing civilization to the frontier. “Spirit of the West” is a magnificent angel, lording over the small and weak Indians. Indian women and children are crushed under her feet, looking like terrorized, lost souls in the flames of a Hieronymus Bosch version of Dante’s Inferno. Indian men simply stand in the dim background, looking bewildered and silent.
But today’s white women savior brings a softer touch. She brings the comfort of the New Age philosophy, which idolizes traditional Indian ways. She brings the financial support from communists who aggrandize Indian failure for subversive, anti-American purposes. She confirms the Indian ‘where he is,’ like modern feminist theologians, completely helpless in her hands, completely dependent on her maternal provision.
But today’s great white woman savior comes to the reservation without Christ, without courage, and without vision. She brings salvation in her own flesh.
Promiscuity often follows in her train, and the effect is viscerally divisive among Indian people. This white woman is a sexual intrusion into the Indian community, and she causes alienation between Indian women and Indian men. Indian women and children are crushed beneath the white women’s power, and degraded to the lowest self-esteem. And Indian men cling helplessly to her white flowing robes, seduced by her winsome wiles. They are like lost children in the arms of a saving mother.
But salvation through interracial sex and marriage is always an ill-founded and ill-fated concept of social change. It provides no lasting improvement for Indians, the weaker, smaller race, but instead creates a permanent breach of trust and commitment between Indian women and Indian men. It damages Indian people deeply.
The Indian race, so few in number, is already in jeopardy. Europeans are now making a business out of having Indian children here, then taking them to Europe to start “tribes.” Indians scarcely trust each other anymore. Intermarriage is a bloodless annihilation, finishing what the Indian wars started a century ago—genocide of the Indian race.
The scintillating white women savior presses on, with her omniscient, liberal agenda, and her presumptive authority over all Indians.
I encountered such a woman at Gonzaga University, (April 23, 2003), after I presented a speech, “How the Left Stole the Indian Image.” It was about Communism, and why the modern American Indian political identity was fostered and financed by professional Communist leaders.
This women did not attend the speech, but came in during the question/answer period. She started contradicting everything I’d said to other students. She wanted everyone to understand that I, an Indian male, did not know what I was talking about, and the she, the white women savior, had complete authority on the subject of Indians, and authority over me.
Afterward, Vanessa Joy, student reporter for the Gonzaga Bulletin, tried to find out who she was, since the woman would not give her name (Kathleen Curr), or any contact information. She’d also refused to come to the microphone provided by C-Span (who taped the speech and Q&A period). The women was content to speak as the great “Spirit of the West,” the savior of Indians, and shunned the humiliation of a personal name.
My Sioux woman friend in South Dakota has known many such saviors. Betty Ann Gross, well known for her stunning honesty (Sports Illustrated, March 4, 2002, “The Indian Wars”), took issue with former Governor Janklow over that Blashfield mural in the governor’s office. He reconsidered.
Then the tears of a 98-year-old Sioux woman from Crow Creek finished the argument. She cried when she saw it. In 1999, the mural was covered.
May all white women saviors be covered. Indian women and Indian men may find each other again when the white women is out of sight.
She’s one mascot nobody needs.
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,19:28 |
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 GEEZ, DR. Y, IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE HURT YOUR FEELINGS! ALSO SOUNDS LIKE SHE FOUND SOMEONE WHO WAS SMARTER THAN HER, AND LIKE ANY BULLY, HAD TO BUILD UP HER OWN SELF-ESTEEM BY BELITTLING YOU AND AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE. HOWEVER, SINCE NONE OF US WERE PRESENT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOREPLAY... JUST A THOUGHT...DON'T ALLOW THE CHINKS IN YOUR ARMOR TO BE SO OBVIOUS!
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Bodvar
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,19:53 |
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Here's a topic over-due for honest discussion, risking offense with each opinion!
I remember powwow groupies who'd corralled their ration of a Native man, and one in particular I remember as knowing his lineage better than he did, having gotten it from his family. She happily would recount it...like a dog-breeder's breeding table. It was sort of...sort of...creepy....
Still, it must be remembered that, just as Native Americans have been thrown under the bus of cultural imperialism, European folks were thrown under that same set of wheels long, long ago.
("cultural imperialism" is a cool, "proletarian-sounding" word, used to make people think I'm more educated or angry than I am)
A lot of the "breech-clout-sniffers" (the powwow version of athletic-booster "jock-sniffers") of the dreaded "Wannabe Tribe" who hang around Natives like a swarm of mosquitoes are ideological wreckers.
Some, though, are seeking something "genuine", something tribal and earthy and elemental. They've felt "the call". They see today's consumerist, plastic, pre-packaged and theorized life as artificial (no disagreements there). But, they get the geography wrong. Can anyone think of a "new age"-themed bookstore which DOESN'T sell sage smudging bundles? That ain't European, folks.
They want to get back to their "roots"...the problem being that they're getting back to SOMEONE ELSE'S roots.
Many of them, women and men, are like magpies: they collect other people's cultural treasures and arrange them around their nests...because they're shiny...but, they don't understand them any more than a magpie understands a bottlecap....
They make off with those roots, incorporate them into their little New Age fantasies or their "white man's/woman's burden" internationalist passion play. Sometimes they simply steal the fancy-dancers away.
If we were discussing this in Australia, we'd be talking about digeridoo's (sic?) and walkabouts, not powwow...see the point?
So, they need to be steered to THEIR roots...they do exist, I'm here to tell ya.
By the same token, to expand the discussion, I remember my wife and I being good friends with a full-blooded Arikara woman who WOULDN'T date Native men, as she thought them either arrogant or abusive.
Something more to discuss...later.
The Jews call this intermarriage "the silent holocaust"...it's an apt term.
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David Yeagley
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,20:37 |
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SBP: Well, if feeling completely insulted, and degraded is having your feelings hurt, then I guess mine were.
In these public encounters, I have faced lots of insulting students. That's a given. They're being trained to think differently from their parents. They're being nutured in disrespect. This is their hour! College!
But, that's different from stupidity shoved in my face, publically, isn't it? This woman ir reference was a seasoned adult, seasoned in the salvation of liberalism, maybe even personal liberalism. It was so wholly out of place, irrelevent, uninformed and uneducated, that I was quite angry that she would defecate in that manner before the public. She insulted not only me, but everyone else.
However, I'm not sure about the anger part. This was worse than Lazzio invading Hillary's space. I, the man, was defecated upon, by a woman, and I didn't like it. Does that make me come off as weak? Maybe it does. I'm not sure.
My own reaction did surprise me, I admit. Maybe I'm getting used to the "entertainment" element of public life. People often like knock-down drag outs. But, somehow, it is distasteful between a man and a woman, I think. But this woman was defecating, I tell you! I couldn't tolerate it, for my sake, for the sake of the audience of students.
I think what made me mad was that she tried to sound so sincere, so loving, so superior, so transcendent, when she simply did not know the simple facts in discusssion. She blissfully ignored stastics, etc.
What would you have done?
By the way, Bodvar, I certainly appreciate your willing to speak of these matters. I'm really going out on a limb, but, I think the tree is about to be cut down...
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Amerind
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,21:00 |
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Dr. Yeagley, you write, "I, the man, was defecated upon, by a woman, and I didn't like it."
You seem to have some real issues about women. Have you talked with a professional about this? You don't like white women, yet you won't take up with an Indian.
I responded to your tirades about 'Communism and Indians' and 'White women and Indians' at the richardpoe.com site. But I suspect you'll change the subject or otherwise evade my points there, like you do so often here.
Communists and white women ain't the problem for Indians. Extinction is. And it's past the point where we can do very much about it.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our our country and our people, and neither do we.--Dubya
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759"
"Bead all that you can bead." - on a T-shirt at Bill and Dee's in Norman, OK
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Bodvar
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,21:38 |
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"By the way, Bodvar, I certainly appreciate your willing to speak of these matters. I'm really going out on a limb, but, I think the tree is about to be cut down..."
...the future of the American Indian/Native American/First Nation people ON THEIR OWN TERMS, not the terms of some assimilated ideologue somewhere, is a subject near and dear to my heart, as an outsider and (hopefully) as a good neighbor.
It isn't altruism...it's a recognition that this nation was founded to allow citizens to live on their own terms, and "citizen" includes ME.
I'm afraid, though, that the tree metaphor has me scratching my pointy head.
As to Indians and communism, I think that Indian solutions should be sought to this problem, and allies sought to help impliment them...not socialist solutions and socialists sought, etc. THAT, not loss of gold trinkets from the Black Hills mines or loss of grazing privileges or some other dodge, is what ticks off THIS white guy...victimology, "playing the race card" and partisan politics...it's a sad, sorry song that's running out of octane wheree'er it's being sung....
One doesn't threaten the majority, cry and spit and stamp ones feet, to get the way...eventually, they remember that they're the majority, and point to own conduct as the excuse for paying lip service and nothing more.
Indians are integral to this nation, and are either treated fairly or the nation is a failure. It's that simple. Even a fat old white guy like me sees that.
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Amerind
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,22:24 |
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Bodvar, you write, "Indians are integral to this nation, and are either treated fairly or the nation is a failure. It's that simple."
Well, Indians are not treated fairly, so I guess the other option (the nation is a failure) wins.
I respect the opinions of the people on this forum, but you folks who make these either/or assertions leave me scratching my head. I assert that Indians are not treated fairly, but at the same time, I do not hold that, consequently, this nation is a failure...quite to the contrary, this is the most successful of nations in many centuries.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our our country and our people, and neither do we.--Dubya
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759"
"Bead all that you can bead." - on a T-shirt at Bill and Dee's in Norman, OK
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Bodvar
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,23:20 |
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"Well, Indians are not treated fairly, so I guess the other option (the nation is a failure) wins."
...aren't being treated fairly, haven't been treated fairly...fairly means "get your due", not "get what you want" or "get what the other guy's got".
Well, not fairly at all, then, by any reckoning.
But, the game's not over yet. There's still time on the clock. There's time to act, if people can act constructively to a good purpose.
So, you can stop scratching your head.
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Amerind
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Posted on: Apr. 28 2003,23:37 |
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Bodvar, you say, "But, the game's not over yet. There's still time on the clock...So, you can stop scratching your head."
Right, the game's not over yet. There's 5 seconds left and the score 100 to 1, so I may as well stop scratching my head.
I appreciate your optimism. I just wish I could share it.
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Amerind
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our our country and our people, and neither do we.--Dubya
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759"
"Bead all that you can bead." - on a T-shirt at Bill and Dee's in Norman, OK
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Steve
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Posted on: Apr. 29 2003,02:42 |
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Amerind, here is my opinion on the Indians being treated unfairly topic. Sure they are, and so are many whites and for the exact same reason. The government wants our land! Country folk are now being treated like guano. City people do not see it and could care less; it just means more open spaces to them.
White man used guns and the army, and according to Dr. Yeagley, women, to subdue the Indian. The circumstances are now reversed; the government is using environmental laws and the tribes to drive us off our land. To give you an example a local farmer wants to thin some timber near a creek. He has to go through what the government deems an "alternate plan." He needs not only permission from the government but the Indian tribe too, and it is over 30 miles away.
He is not rich and needs the timber money for income; without it he may as well sell out and move to the city. The problem with selling is, it is marginal land, with most of the value in timber. The laws have devalued his property immensely, so selling to some outfit like the pinko Nature Conservancy is his only option. They will manage it for wildlife and no human will be allowed to touch it.
Rural whites and Indians better both wake up or we will find us being completely ruled by urban liberals. When country folk and the tribes wake up and join to fight the bastions of urban socialism, we can and will win. So, do not scratch your head unless it itches. 
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