Also openly speaking I have to ask you a very simple yes or no question. Are you racist? or Do you dislike the Black race? You speak very passionately of your views on the black race and I'd really like an answer, here is my email address dramarenthead@yahoo.com Honestly you do sound as if you are indeed racist.

I find it unbelivable that you feel Obama is agaainst Indians. I also find it remarkable that you see blacks in such a negative and superficial light.
True. Obama may not have brought up the fact that the Europeans stole the Americas from the Natives (and other injustices). But he was correct about the fact that slavery for the blacks in the Americas was one of the worst crimes in history. I can tell you like research so i'm going to try to break it down for you then you can research some of the things that are about to be unveiled to you. First off you need to have an opened mind.
The reason slavery towards the blacks was such a horrible crime was not simply because it was slavery and not because they were seperated by skin color for years and years. It was the fact that our very essence of what makes us who we are was ripped away from us. For instance, we tried to preserve our culture but in doing so could lead to death so naturally thinking to survive we took on the christian religion.But of course Native know of survival, in fact they changed to they changed almost everything about themselves to "fit in" and become white but not because they were bad people, but because they needed to survive.They even had slaves, black slaves but i'm sure you are already aware of that. After taking in this religion the whites brainwash the slaves into believing that their lives' purpose was to serve and please the white man and that they were inferrior in every way to the whites. Oh, but not low enough to rape the black women. Which leads me to them actually seperating the blacks by complexion.The darker you are the worst off you'll be which even applies to today. Let that simmer abit then I will continue..................... Later the complexion crisis continued on and evolved into an issue in the black community even more so. The lighter you were and the straighter your hair was the closer you were to being white and white is right, right? Well at least you think so. This crisis of physical appearance carries on and splits the black community turning black against black and black against himself aggaing because striving to be white is always right.They are all negro but different classes of negro. let me sum this up a bit.Now you have cultureless, blacks striving their entire lives to better themselves by trying to become something or someone that is impossible to become. To speed this up I'LL TELL YOU OF IT'S CURRENT STATUS. 95% OF BLACKS IN AMERICA ARE LOST SOULS. EVERYTHING THEY BELIEVE IN FOR THE MOST PART IS AN ILLUSION(LIKE MANY OTHE RACES)THAT WILL NEVER END FOR MOST. A black in america is only one of 2 things blissfully unaware or constantly in search of self love for themselves and who they are, really. Now, this moment blacks are even worse off than before. Hating and disowning who they are and don't even realize it. I mean that is the way they were programmed to think; disown everything that makes you you.Thinking it's demeaning to have "nappy" hair or dark skin, big lips etc. It's better to have "good hair and light skin". You will never understand the true darkness that plagus the black race and you are not expected to. But you should try and understand that alot of them are lost and honestly are oblivious to their vivid anguish. Also most people don't know about the native struggles so how can they support or deny it. Ihad to do research to find info i wanted to know.
Also Malcolm x and other leader alike carried an constant internal stuggle inside themselves such as the info I gave you above. The film shows this but you have to analyze the info with an open mind and withoutalready decide on opinons. Malcolm was trying to heal himself and his people and though his passionate speeches and remarks seem harsh they were his therapy. Just think to yourself if the natives turned against each other and began to hate who they were and in doing so didn't realize it, Demise is a perfect answer forthis question you should answer. Not taking away from any other struggles because others hae also been wronged but they have had each other to look to and lean on. Blacks are seperated for reaons they don't realize and are split is many different ways. So when you say blacks are greedy and such and that they are they want to be the same as everone and at the same time have a unique situation ignorance it the bed you lie on. Now that you have some insight on this subject you should do more research on blacks in america and take into consideration the info given. Also If a native american was one of the democratic candidates for president and he only spoke on issues on the natives I wouldn't fret because he is only expressing the views and needs of his own people which naturally comes first(but not so much in Obama's case he's multiracial anyway). For instance, kanye west, a successful rapper and producer stated on live televison that bush didn't like black people. I infact believe this is not true. I do belive however that he likes making money and his own race better than he likes blacks.INFACT I believe he and his cabinet all like making money more than america.

TS,

In order to form a more perfect union....

"I have been to Pine Ridge, it reminds me of an inner-city ghetto, the only difference is the color of skin of the people who must “live” there. That is not living. When half the Indians out there are addicted to drugs and alcohol, domestic violence, teen suicide, staggering unemployment, and share a pervasive sense of hopelessness. It is not living. The way you or I are accustomed to living is different. The way Indians live on Pine Ridge is through a form of incarceration that is cruel and unusual."

these people are going to have to at some point, go into their home (where no white man cometh)...close the door, and figure out what inside those four walls is not right, what does this family need to do to reverse the odds of their children becoming another uneducated, unemployed, alcholic, drug addict, unmarried mother/father, domestically violent, suicidal, hopeless creature...I suggest the first family discussion should involve accepting responsibility for oneself and those they caused to be born. Cease the blame game, it is the Supreme Slavemaster, not of your body, but of your spirit...these kind of things can't be fixed with money...nothing the whiteman has (even if he were willing to give it to you) could change these things, they are very personal, spiritual

"I work for a white guy, he’s a good man, he pays me well. But, I would feel like a jerk to walk up to him and say: Thank you for allowing my people to live, thank you for not making us extinct”. Don’t bow down too much for white people. They should thank us for allowing them to live in “our” country."

Thank You...TS, you have been an outstanding host...

Quick word about TallSoldier.

He has behaved as a gentlemen in this issue. He has supported Obama from the beginning. BadEagle.com has posted a lot of things, serious thing, AGAINST Obama.

This is just opinion. Many people get really offended when their candidate is trashed. Of course TS has been offended. But he hasn't lashed out at BadEagle or me.

I admire him greatly for this.

My problem is--I DON'T HAVE A CANDIDATE. I'm jealous! Don't believe in anyone this time around! I'm lost. They've lost me!

TS is a good sport, and a good man. I believed in Bush in the beginning. I've been sorely disappointed. I didn't like it when the Left Democrats spent 24/7 trying to oppose, trash, and destroy everything and anything Bush was trying to do. I still think that was very wrong. So, I know what it feels like to have your man bashed before your eyes.

I at least commend TS for how he has related to my Obama-bashing.

No problem betty ann...

I promise not to stick any pins in my David Yeagley doll while he is under your protection.

DY,

the voodoo I spell I was refering to were the zombies outside of the church setting, Obama's supporters, the MSM, etc. Even TS, they are spellbound, like he is some Black Messiah, that has come to save America. When it began there was no perspective given at all as to who he was, what his political agenda was, his life experiences...it was just pure spin, smooth talking peace, love, happiness, hope, and prosperity...after this very sucessful indoctrination, the easily hypnotized are locked in, nothing whatsoever can shake their faithfulness to him, so he begins to reveal himself little by little, so as not to disturb anyone with the utter Blackness of it all, just a little more time and a little more luck and he will swear his oath to the Constitution of Afro-America.

Tallsoldier you carry the same thought patterns of the ones who left the reservations. White people here are interested in what happens to all of us. It is us that do not want to work with them. We are not under nazism or concentration type order. We are free and what we do with that freedom is up to each person and reservation. Your tribe can do alot with the land, but where are they going to get the money necessary to build the land up. And even if the money did get to Piine Ridge or any other Indian reservation the people will choose to leave the land as is. There are memories of days past that are still alive in our people. The feelings you feel here when you come home John are probably not nazism or a concentration type of feeling, but a feeling of aloneness and the wonderment of all that our ancestors experienced on this barren yet untouched Sioux land. This is what it is about....no wanting of wealth, money, but freedom. Alcohol and other drugs eases that pain of lingering between the past and living in the future...to choose many Sioux would cross over into the past (not suicide) but suicide.

I live in Sioux Falls, SD, I see many homeless Indians. David was here, they are not really homeless how can they be this land of Sioux Falls is still Yankton land. The Lakota women wander the streets, alone. Where is the safety for them? Alot of amputees done on the Sioux here in Sioux Falls, the further they are away from the reservation the more is done to their bodies.

Anyway, proud to see you are a veteran. And a Sioux person. For the reservation skins to show them a positive act or to think positive helps them go along way in life. Family.

Oops found some errors, was meant to say *not hating on you Layla* and to be Indian and not *Indiana*

betty ann

Layla I was hating on you, what I was trying to say was keep that voodoo bus away from Dr. Yeagley. He need no voodoo right now. You have good thoughts and insight into things, i like that.

White Trash, what I meant was that even though you consider yourself trash, look at what YOUR people did to this land. As one man in South Dakota said, when someone was hitting bad on the US Government....I am just glad that them wealthy folks had enough money so I can go home to an apartment. It aint mine, but it is my home. I love the food at the stores. on and on. So no matter what your status as a white folk is, you love your self and the color of your skin. When you do that the oppressed at your feet (figure of speech) will be empowered. There is power in your skin color, use it.

I feel sorry for the mixed bloods of Indian/black and more so Black/white. We have generation up generation of blacks in Sioux Falls married to white women, denying they are negroe, saying the white woman made them white. OH SHOOT, that is not good.

Finally, White Trash, Indians have been under the microspe for too long. Perhaps more Indians need to do what Dr. Yeagley is doing. We are finally putting the whites and oh dear, the blacks under there....feels good to hear Indiana thought on white thought. Blessings to all on the upcoming birth of christ day.

betty ann

Katherine, I put Obama's speech up on the Heat Forum, in the BadEagle forum section. He gave himself away in the second paragraph. He has a skewed, biased view of social reality. His is historically mistaken, and unforgivably so, in my view, as an Indian.

I should have been more specific, this "subject" being the race issues of this presidential campaign.

I really have no interest in this particular subject because I do not like any of the presidential candidate choices at all. Although I find Dr. Yeagley's article and also the many comments written here very interesting, I will not waste my time debating on this subject. However, I must comment here about one thing: "Reverend" Wright's complexion.

Betty Ann wrote: "Now we can really question the authenticity of the blackness of Reverend Jeremiah Wright. He look mulatto himself. Standing there all creamy white looking. Hmm?"

Thank you Betty Ann! This is the FIRST time I have heard or read someone comment about "Reverend" Wright's complexion. That was the very FIRST thing I noticed the first time I laid eyes on him! I kept hearing about all his anti-white and damn America talk, but when I finally saw pictures of him, he was not at all what I expected. I couldn't stop laughing! He doesn't even look mulatto, for crying out loud! I have siblings and white relatives that have far more color than him. This guy needs some serious sun and a serious multiple B vitamin supplement! The ONLY thing that looks black about this guy is his kinky hair. I would bet good money that he is three quarters white! What irony when such a man spews hate whitey trash behind a church pulpit.

Cheers!

I dunno, Betty Ann. If there are any "people of color" around my feet, I sure wish they would get up from there, go to work, and bring me back the money. That would make me feel like I was the White Male Power Structure. I’d appreciate that.

I guess if I were a Sioux I would understand your position better. In an odd way I feel more alarmed by the idea that the Indians might be dying out, than any concern about preserving the “purity” of the white race. I reckon I know to many white folk to consider us pure by any measure, but hey, that’s just me. My only concern is looking out for my kin.

And yes, I am white trash. Descended from a proud line of moonshiners, horse thieves, and the occasional war hero. College didn’t wash that out of me by a sight. If that makes me advantaged, hey, that’s fine by me.

He knew the blacks would love him, they adore black men that have white mamas. He knew the whites would love him, they adore black men that are white on the inside. The only thing Obama didn't know was how many millions of lovers he would have...if he had Rev. Wright and any of his ilk would have been put in the closet months before he began campaigning...by the time he realized the magnitude of it all it was too late, now he is stuck with this blabbering America hating racist, that miscalculation may very well put him back on his original audacity to hope chart.

Oops! Long day. I've been working on a music score. Haven't been on line much today.

I'll put up a new post tomorrow.

It is true, though, the "vodoo" bit, in this sense: fear, excitement, passion, even sexual excitement. Some black congregations really get into it, as do some Pentecostal white churches. A religious experience amounts to an incredible emotional high, like, some psychologically vicarious sexual excitement. This is an ancient thing, really. Nothing new.

Some folks are just very, very emotional. They see that as a religious experience. I don't. That's all. I don't interpret it that way. They do.

Fear, high powered emotions..this distorts judgement in my opinion. It is actually a harmful thing. Artificial highs are always followed by corresponding lows, depressions, unhappiness, blues, etc.

You get really deep into it, and you can see people pass out on the pulpit! "Slain in the spirit" they say. THere is sometimes actual sexual excitement, too. These things have been studied and documented. It's just not terribly interesting, and most people that aren't involved simply either don't know about or ignore it. No big deal.

Personally, I think it's dangerous. Obama has the coolest, most suave personality that American politics has seen in a long time. It is amazing that he would also be part of such a "swingin' church. Makes you wonder what else we don't know about him.

betty ann...

I have no idea what you are talking about... there are about 15 or 20 other posts that you can hone your protecting David Yeagley skills on...mine is not one of them, so go chomp on someone elses bones and leave mine alone...when I disagree with the Good Doctor it will be crystal clear, you will not need to read between the lines and conjure something to attack me over.

Dr. Yeagley will probably be offended by what I am going to write to you Layla. But I am his defender of his character and humanness. Harm him, you deal with me.

And hell, you need not disguise your true color or self Layla. That voodoo bus you ride dirty on.

betty ann

David Yeagley,

"Layla, I think the black theology is the foundation of that Chicago church. It's just coming out now, that's all. I don't quite see the "plot" against Obama, but, then again, your's is a very interesting take!"

Yes I know, unfortunatly I am embarrassed to say I have become quite familiar with the teachings of Rev. Wright, but you have to admit these two characters are either "dumber and dumbest" or this is some weird Black Magic Voo Doo...really there folks are wandering around in a glassy eyed trance chanting Obama...Obama...Rev. Wright...Rev.Wright...scarey stuff.

I was afforded the opportunity to interview foreigners now US citizens from Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan and another country that slips my mind. I seen their language written in their native hand. I heard them speak their native language. They are precious through it all, every one of them.

I have looked in dismay at a black man claiming Lakota blood carrying our sacred eagle feathers and attempting to perform the religious traditions of our people. Yet, I turned away, for one day a strong Indian leader shall step in.

I see our Lakota, Yankton and other Indian women called in by Daschle to campaign for Obama here in South Dakota. They are not aware of the entire arena of politics.

As harsh as it is, Wright is protected under the First Amendment and he uses it to his advantage. Civil Rights leaders are a dying breed of people, but the seed they plant in the minds of others shall be forever deeply ingrained.

We choose the one we feel is best for America and as a Republican I choose McCain...not Hillary Clinton as her husband Bill broke promises to the Sioux, he never followed through with them.

betty ann

“*In all their views, actions, thoughts (historically) they let our ancestors live. We are here. What was left of our people, we are here. If they hated us so, we would have been a extinct group of people.”---Betty-Ann.

Are you sure about that? You call rounding up a population of Indians who lived out there, free as the wind, for centuries and sticking them on the most desolate land possible “living”? I have been to Pine Ridge, it reminds me of an inner-city ghetto, the only difference is the color of skin of the people who must “live” there. That is not living. When half the Indians out there are addicted to drugs and alcohol, domestic violence, teen suicide, staggering unemployment, and share a pervasive sense of hopelessness. It is not living. The way you or I are accustomed to living is different. The way Indians live on Pine Ridge is through a form of incarceration that is cruel and unusual.

The Govt. has been anything but benevolent to the Indians who were forced to live on that dysfunctional internment camp. When I was out there I encountered racism. The white people hate Indians in South Dakota with a passion that rivals that of Nazi Germany’s hatred of Jews in WWII. You are right though. I live in white society because my father was given an opportunity to better himself, with a good paying job off-rez, to provide for his nine children.

I joined the Army right after high-school, I was honorably discharged and then I put myself through college. I got a decent job and bought my first house when I was 28. I did all of this without anyone’s help. So I guess the real question is: WHAT HAVE THE OGLALA, LAKOTA DONE FOR ME?

I work for a white guy, he’s a good man, he pays me well. But, I would feel like a jerk to walk up to him and say: Thank you for allowing my people to live, thank you for not making us extinct”. Don’t bow down too much for white people. They should thank us for allowing them to live in “our” country.

VOTE OBAMA O8’

betty ann...

yes he is creamy...but in his case you know back when things were soo bad the creamy colored folks were raised by the black blood...thats where picked up the jive talkin gift of gab...theres one good thing he could say about being raised Afro-American, he would sound kind of silly wailing about G-d D--m America if he sounded like a white boy...he should get down on his knees and thank his lucky stars he was born in the USA...where else on earth could a black racist thug like that get 5000 idiots to listen to his hogwash during Sunday Services...Only in America Mr. Wright...Only in G-d D--n America.

Hello Layla. Now we can really question the authenticity of the blackness of Reverend Jeremiah Wright. He look mulatto himself. Standing there all creamy white looking. Hmm?

betty ann

Layla, I think the black theology is the foundation of that Chicago church. It's just coming out now, that's all. I don't quite see the "plot" against Obama, but, then again, your's is a very interesting take!

betty ann...

"I may be wrong, but this Reverend Jeremiah Wright knew about the achievements of Obama, his background of having a white mother and father from Kenya. I honestly believe out of jealousy, spite and hatred for the white mother and even against the father from kenya that in his own mind, Wright was racist against Obama and built up a momentum using his church and members to make others believe that they truly accepted Obama when we know that is not so. Wright is the major player in this and America went for the jugular vein."

I think you might be on to something here...what better way than to ruin a black presidential nominees chance to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave...to show your people how divinely right you were about G-D D--n America, how phrophetic, how black Christlike...he has acheived that holy honor of rendering his faithful followers kool-aid certified...

From all appearance the only one riding that bus are the wealthy white folks. Left you poor white trash out there to scratch like a chiggen the dirt of the land.

betty ann

Aah..hemmm...

all of you standing in line behind the black folks to get on the Magic Bus to "forming a more perfect union"...you might ask the wizard thats driving when you can expect to get an equal share of the po po pitiful me goodies...I mean your boy ranted on for some 45 minutes or so, and this is all he could throw in for you...

"In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience – as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time"

hmmm....was that a paragraph or just a long sentence...in any case your issues were reduced to a mere 10 second sound bite and thats being generous...for the record...Native American's got well...lets just say however long it takes to say the words "Native American's"...to be fair though you were tossed in in with the blacks and mexicans...that's a comfort zone any liberal worth his salt would envy...congratulations guys you get the seats right in front of the satanic white folks in the back of the Magic bus...anyway just give the wizard a heads up that he to get the wheels balanced on the Magic Bus before he turns down the rocky road to a more perfect union.

I find it interesting that so many commentators are so completely clueless. When I read the badeagle articles, I hear the voice and wisdom of one who has come to realise we are citizens. Like it or not, the world has moved on. Having left behind our indian, african, european, oriental selves. Having overcome our skin color perceptions of the forest and plains and moved on into the 21st century of citizens of the earth. Here, in the present, deeds matter. We will never understand the dead, any more than they could understand us. As soon as we accept it, we are free to become our potential and stop wasting time on rhetorical regrets. Victims no more, free to accept and overcome the challenges of today. I don't accept the responsibility of the guilt of those who came before me, and neither should any of us. As badeagle said, today is a busy day.

I may be wrong, but this Reverend Jeremiah Wright knew about the achievements of Obama, his background of having a white mother and father from Kenya. I honestly believe out of jealousy, spite and hatred for the white mother and even against the father from kenya that in his own mind, Wright was racist against Obama and built up a momentum using his church and members to make others believe that they truly accepted Obama when we know that is not so. Wright is the major player in this and America went for the jugular vein.

It would have been best for Obama to stay focused on himself and to not try so hard to be black here in America. His father was not of American black blood and we all know that black Americans do not consider anyone black from Kenya, Ethiopia or anyone from Africa as their relatives. They have totally separated themselves from America (the black Americans). It is too painful for them to realize the reality of slavery and that their blood survived.

But to have a white mother here in America still does not sit well with many white Americans......it cannot be stopped more and more white women and white men are going to marry blacks and Indians and then where does that leave the white blood lines? No more.

betty ann

Hello Whitetrash, you speak the truth. American Indians are always in great conflict with one another and with each different band. I think that is great. Conflict is good.

I think that when a person of color steps into the limelight we automatically start to harm that individual. We carry that age old concept found in White Thought, White Arrogance and White Supremacy. Whether we want to acknowledge this as American Indians the reality is we too have fell under the atonement of historical racism. We have learned well from the white fathers how to use racism to bring down other people of color. It has to stop. And I believe that many white folks do not really know that this exists within their culture....but.....the ones who do step out like the KKK and other white supremists groups are living proof that racism and racial hatred does exist. The KKK may have died but their seeds of white arrogance lives in the minds of many, such as CERA (hope that is right) and the skinheads. These white folks are upfront and they bring to us the information needed to understand the reality of hidden racism.

American Indians near and on Indian reservations experience a different type of racism and oppression from not only white leaders but mxed white and indian bloods and this is what so many make reference to when they read a white indians thoughts on paper. Historical racism perpetuated by white relatives against the native blood.

We along with Reverend Jeremiah Wright have done what white america wanted to do....we are almost at the point of destroying a man who has a white mother and a black father from kenya...as Obamas half sister stated "through their mothers choices her choices are now her childrens consequences. I am putting together another manuscript on Indians who do not want to be Indian, denial, and blacks not wanting to be black and whites using this to their advantage. And hey whitetrash you are not trash you are a wonderful advantaged American citizen. The world lies at your feet and so do people of color.

betty ann

Hi Betty Ann,

Seems to me the fact that Indians still like to "scalp and kill one another" is pretty much true of any group. I live in the only region in the United States where white folks were never defeated and occupied by an invading military force. Black people did not do that to us. Indians did not do that to us. White people did, under the guise of 'freeing the slaves' when in truth it was about money. So if we extend the idea of race to that fact, doesn't that mean we did it to ourselves? Ripping a man apart with grape shot doesn't seem any less savage an act that scalping him.

Isn't that always the challenge? To overcome our impulse for conflict in enough degree to prosper? Isn't that where America has always managed, in it's own messy way, to prevail? To avoid the evils of facism or socialism governing our lives? And if that is true, why would we assume the Obama, a half black and white man, would make a less effective leader than John McCain? Is it not wiser to access the more measurable characteristics that each man brings to the table?

I am not ready to concede that racial composition is deterministic. It just does'nt make sense.

I sense a great FEAR amongst the white population. I can sense a feeling of knowing that one day soon if they do not grasp control, power and all that their forefathers created, their world will spin out of control.

Historically, the white masters caught their young white ladies here and there with the black male. There is a captivating power about a black male. It is powerful. It mesmerizes one to the point of giving all power over to that man. This is where the white male and Indian male sense their failures to provide and protect their females. Obama is living proof of all this history. Porcelain white mother a beautiful woman. A darker than sin father and thus the next President of the United States. White and Black.

Whitetrash, there is a great divide amongst all the Indian reservation, bands, groups and more so on each individual allotted land or reservation. This division is why America does not see a Indian in any high positions through election, but by appointment or chance. We still like to scalp and kill one another.

What did Pat Buchanan says way back in his book of the upcoming race war and everyone on this site, nope that will NEVER happen and the Indian sits back and chews the tobacco and watches till the day he can regain back his land. There may be alot of work to do such as cleaning up and retracting histtorical markings, but they wait.

betty ann

TallSoldier,

I think I understand what you are saying and feeling.

I want to warn you though. DO NOT TRUST WHAT IS SAID BY ANYONE YOU HAVE NOT PERSONALLY KNOWN FOR YEARS!!!

A mans ACTIONS speak much louder than his WORDS!!! Look into every bit of ANYONE'S life that you are evaluating and do it on WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH!!!

This country has been led down the garden path by one lying politician after another. Even when the politician tells the TRUTH, we STILL don't LISTEN!!!

We have ourselves to blame for where this country has gone and it is because we are greedy, lazy, and will not open our eyes to the obvious TRUTHS about these POLITICIANS who lie to us.

We vote for the ones who offer us the easy way. Obama will fix the race realtions and our relations with other countries. McCain will make us safe from the Jihadis. Hitlery will make us all Healthy!!

They can do NONE of those things for us. We have to do them ourselves!!!! It starts by electing people who are not LIARS who BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THE DREAMS OF ALL OUR FOREFATHERS!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I would like to address a question to the Indians posting here if I may...

I have no real experience with American Indians, so pardon my ignorance in advance...

Is there a beef between rank and file Indians and Black Folks that I don't know about? I am familiar with White Black, Hispanic Black tensions first hand... but I know next to nothing about Indians outside of the obvious historical conflicts between Indians and Whites, and my knowledge of that is pretty sparse.

Just curious.

By opportunistic I was being nice. I went on to say that they steal. That's harsh, but that's how I see it.

Michelle Obama may like to dress white, but she certainly doesn't want to be white. If you think that is what their psyche is all about, then no wonder your articles are all disjointed! Every single black I've met has a deep-seated grudge against whites. Very difficult to make friends like these.

Even their mimicking of whites is limited. But definitely not about impersonating.

Probably your radio-host friend is caught up in his halfness.

If you mean blacks who go after blondes, well, that is very limited too, and it more of a trophy by "celebrity" blacks (i.e. everyone wants blondes) than an impersonation.

Wrights sermons cannot be anymore sinful than one saying that perhaps the anti christ has shown himself. Perhaps this is why the white world is mesmerized by him.....there is a building called the White House where the white founding fathers built this nation, if they give in, the house shall be no more.

betty ann

Now, wait a minute. I personally don't think there's anything sinful about "opportunism." Fate, chance, circumstance, are out there for all of us. Anything can happen. We can't blame someone for his circumstances, or his insight to use them. There are "callings" in the world, and they are connected with circumstance. One must respond, no?

I do think the philosophy of oppression and resentment is really cheap. To aggrandize it into a psychological identity, and to teach it to younger people--that I do believe is very wrong. I guess that's what you mean, huh?

I'll say this. I know a radio host in Salt Lake, named Kyle Betton. A .5, like Obama (only totally American). I said to him once, "It seems like a lot of black people want to act white, or do what whites do." (Not a particularly insightful thing to say...) But he immediately responded: "We don't want to ACT white. We want to BE white!"

Very interesting and unusual guy, Kyle. I've been on his show a number of times. I should give him a call.

OK, continuing my understanding of "changing spots" to mean to change from sinner to non-sinner, these particular blacks, with their false church and false Christian doctrine, again are not likely to recant their sins.

They have made the possible (via a miracle?) into an impossible.

Awful, isn't it?

If you'll permit another observation.

Blacks do not want to "change their spots." Absolutely not.

Michelle Obama -NOT, Jeremiah (ironic) Wright - NOT!

Barack Obama - who made a conscious, political, personal choice in Dreams from my father - NOT.

Their whole relationship with whites is not even envy. Their sin there is opportunism. And to use a harsh word, it is theft. I think your article had that part right.

Right on, behbeh! (Thanks Layla!)

what was impressive about Obama's speech, it said absolutely nothing that I haven't heard a gazillion times...I mean he wasn't spewing it out in black slang like Rev's. Sharpton, Jackson, Wright,...someone raised by white folks doesn't speak in black slang...so Obama can just sound like a white man and everyone is sooo impressed it doesn't matter that he just spent thirty minutes repeating what he has heard in Rev.Wright's spew every Sunday for the past twenty years...incredible, how easily manipulated can people be, this is actually getting scary...

"What has the white system done for us" Tallsoldier writes
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*In all their views, actions, thoughts (historically) they let our ancestors live. We are here. What was left of our people, we are here. If they hated us so, we would have been a extinct group of people.

You ask yourself what they have done for us. Look around you. You work in the white world. You enjoy their luxuries. We are apart of white society, whether we realize it or not.

We are not blacks and just because a mulatto gives a good civil rights talk, does not make him good for our people. Know you will never understand the mentality of many Sioux people, because you are totally disconnected from us...the mentality of age old abuse as Obama stated we must allow to hold us back in terms of race, we move forward....if you believe in him so much, digest his words and move out of the past, that era is gone.

betty ann

Motoy I agree with every word you wrote on one of the forums. I feel the same way. This is America. I am an American. My great grandfather fought in the civil war a sargeant...a long line of veterans. Patriotism. No more hating on America and this goes for Reverend Wright....this is where racism starts and ends.

betty ann

"There is no Lakota pride here in South Dakota, believe me Tallsoldier until a majority of YOUR people become empowered they will continue to be used by the black system. I am not for Barack or any black leader. What have they done for us and with what pride and honor do you speak of in terms of Barack."---Betty

I don't understand your mentality, I don't think I want to, the real question is: What has the white system done for Native Americans?

There is a pervasive attitude of self-loathing out there in South Dakota. This victim card that the "real" Indians out there are playing is archaic and allows greedy outsiders to come in and exploit the Lakota people.

I respect your opinion and I am not telling you who to vote for. I am supporting Sen. Obama because I get a vibe from him that is one of sincerity. That speech he gave yesterday was one of the greatest oratories I have ever witnessed.

I can't help if you hate black people. I served with many black soldiers who showed more patriotism for this country than your average neo-conservative. I harbor no anger against my own people. I want them to succeed in life and I believe Sen. Obama has their best interest at heart.

I don't hate anyone. Not even that little Irish/Mexican shaman buster. Vote for who your heart tells you to, believe what you want to believe, hate who you want to hate. As an American citizen, it is your right, it is what you must do.

I am Oglala, Lakota, I am proud of who I am, this is something that no politician or pundit or even other Indians who are trapped in that dark abyss of self-pity can ever change. I am not trying to win you over or change your outlook on life. As a strong Lakota man I have my priorities in order, I know who I am and where I am going. I love being alive.

VOTE OBAMA IN 08'

I don't know why, but nearly everyone's post, in cluding my own, for the last two days, has been block and put in the spam (junk)file. I've had to fish every one of them out.

There has been great progress on the new BadEagle site. It is slow, because of the way it is being done, but it is beautiful. I don't expect any problems like this MoveableType situation...

Tragic, but true. Black males have impregnated more and more Indian women. Why is this? Is it something that can be changed?

It is a profound assault on Indian people, but, how shall we defend against is?

Interracial sex is the subliminal goal of apparently most blacks when in the company of non-blacks. There is no reason for it but sexual aggression. Self-dissatisfaction, perhaps. Trying to be something other than black, or, in anger, trying to make other people black.

But the most precious and beautiful thng in this entire world, is that American Indians do not need the Black race. There was a tiime, historically, that we depended deeply on the White Race for survival, but times are changing as American Indians start to create a stronger and viable relationship with the White Race.

We are worlds apart from the Black race. We need to preserve our Indian reservations. As I noted to you before, Dr. Yeagley by some members of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, there are many, many younger tribal girls going home or back to the reservation with Black children. Abandoned after becomng pregnant. Do they the blacks with indian blood need a man like Barack Obama for guidance? Does the black blood dilute the sacred Sioux blood to the point that Lakota and Yankton women are leading the campaign to get Obamas vote here in South Dakota? I say no. It is a political move. Black using the Indian based on the reality that many black blood is entering into the Pine Ridge Reservation. Sioux Falls, South Dakota alot of Lakota youngsters bearing black children. Where are the Indiian male leaders....oh yeah forgot, they support a mulatto with no Indian blood...

thundersky

Betty, thank you for your support.

I think Obama was unwilling to publicly admit that many black people have a miserable, weak, slavish attitude--whith which white people have had nothing whatsoever to do.

"The black man needs the white man," MLK said. "The white man needs the black man," he said. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Nothing could be more slavish, weak, and crippling.

WhiteTrash, I wish you could say that on front page media.

Yours is an incredible testimony. One of the finest I've heard. I intend to make something out of it!

Obama may have said true things, but, I feel he did so in a deceptive, self-exculpatory, weak and politically manipulative way! Truth is unbecoming to a political weasel. (Ah, but, he's "just like everybody else.")

Obama Barack and Reverend Jeremiah Wright RIDE DIRTY when they talk of white women....look at what Wright in his Sunday Sermon said of the Clintons and Lewinsky. The thought is evil. The basis for it was evil, that is evident in the ghetto words of riding dirty and the younger black apes egged him on...look at the videos.

You hang in there Dr. Yeagley. Even though I am suspended like 4 ever from posting on your site, I still support you 100%. Praise da Lord.....

I agree with you Lenape and GMS.

thundersky

I have answered to this post here.

Actually, the only times I referred to "gossip" were:

1) Your "analysis" of Obama's mother as having been abused, which caused her to prefer non-white mates.

2) Your insistence that Obama was Muslim, rather than do active work to get him to change his name... look whose "muslim" now.

All this other information was out a long, long time ago, and no conservative did any substantial thing to convince liberals and even conservatives of Obama's character.

Why? Because they relied on emotion and whining.

For example, just like I said, the only reason Obama's pastor's secret came out was because of substantial proof, i.e. a youtube video people could see.

Give people the facts (and leave out your opining and innuendos) and they will listen to you better.

I was one of the first to note the deficiencies of Obama, as he related to his wife on a 60 minute video interview. And still conservatives refused to see what was staring at them in the face.

But again, the point of Jeremiah 13:23 is about the miracle of change, of expiation of sin.

I think you mistitled your post, and lost the center of your article.

Doc,

As a white boy growing up in the South, dealing with forced integration where only the working class white kids got bussed to the black schools to face the fire for the sins of rich white people... yeah... I remember those days. The little rich white boys who like to talk tough on the Internet did not pitch in during those fights. Those powdered little princes went to private schools. I know all about how Black folks think, and at first I hated their guts, but over time I came to understand that we were being played against each other by White Liberals who created that environment, then went off to teach “people of color” all about how nasty rednecks like me are the root of all evil. How the stars and bars tattooed on my bicep is a “racist symbol” just cause Klan losers co-opted it from my grandfathers who fought to protect their homes under it. And the “people of color” bought it. Yet I never called any black man a nigger, cause I as much as I hated em, I respected them for being tough and proud. To this day I sneer at weak white people who use that word, while they are careful to make sure a black man is not around to challenge it.

I came to understand that the problem with being white in a “multi-cultural” society, is that I have nobody in the public sphere to tell MY side of it, and that was by DESIGN. That's the kind of "White" leadership we had, and as I read more, and learned more I understood it has been that way in America ever since somebody needed a malaria invested swamp cleared, and needed somebody strong to force another strong man to do the job.

Yeah, I mean it. I think Obama nailed it. He told the truth. I was impressed.

You're connecting dots, Kidist. Remember they can be connected different ways. I didn't write the biblical passage. According to your application, a black man can be made white, the leopard can remove his spots.

But it's a metaphor. A leopard certainly has no consciousness of anything undesirable about spots. And why on earth would an Ethiopian want to change his skin?

I in no way connected being black with being sinful. Sin has no color. I cited the metaphor simply to dramatize the truth that there are differences in the races and ethnicities.

It is deception that annoys me. Malice? Not what I feel. I feel anger at deception. It insults me. I don't like the feeling of being insulted.

Of course, I did not expect something different from Obama. You were concerned that I was following a line of gossip about Obama earlier. Every suspicion I cited has proved to be factually worse than I suggested. The ties with Tony Resko are much deeper and longer than Obama came on. Same with Wright.

In short, Obama is just another politician--trying to wiggle out of a jam which he himself caused. Yes, he has talent, but, I doubt his blackness has anything to do with his political "character." Nor should we therefore think his talents are particularly black. But then, if we go down this root, we make him "just like everybody else"--in other words, "white."

Black is black. There are difference BESIDES skin color, I believe. There are characteristics, good and bad, in all races. I think ignoring them is what causes the problem, not recognizing them.

We found out what some black characteristics are, didn't we? (I've known about them most of my life.) They like to scream and yell, make noise, and dance in church, as a worship service. Fine. They have the freedom to do so.

Other people have different sentiments about worship.

I don't know that screaming and yelling is limited to black folks. I would suspect it is something they picked up from white Southern Pentecostals and such! Who knows?

Just a small correction, which is perhaps a "Freudian Slip". Despite my general disdain for psychoanalysis, there are moments when it does come in handy.

The reference to the "leopard's spots" comes of course from Jeremiah 13:23.

But it is in reference to sin.

Therefore this article is equating Obama's skin color to sin. Yet the answer to the question "can the leopard change his spots?" can actually be a yes, when it comes to God's works. Yes, sin can be absolved. No-one actually understands this passage.

People's skin color is not a sin. That is why, David, your articles will always have a subtext of malice around them. (Remember the Janet Jackson and guerilla article?!)

But, this is a typical (expected) emotional reaction to these problems.

Yes, Obama may be a sinner, but that is up to him and his behavior. But the whole Black race is not destined to the gates of hell.

The reality is that Blacks and Whites cannot really live together as Blacks and Whites. Only reasoned account can bring this to the fore. Or all out war.

On the other hand, his speech was very clever. I don't see how he'll alienate liberals (white or black) with it.

It is only conservatives who will be chattering away again.

My mother always told me when I was growing up, "Birds of a feather, flock together". Pick your associations carefully, for they will guide your path and formulate how you view the world and how the world views you.

Mr. Barak is unelectable, lacking the judgment and integrity for the highest office in the land. The Democrats have seriously painted themselves into a corner. They will be represented by a seriously wounded candidate in the general election, standing in comparison to a decorated war hero and patriot.

For the "super delegates" will lack the backbone to give the nomination to the more electable candidate. The train wreck is coming for the Dems, the whistle is blowing loud and clear.

Should be a rout for the Republicans in the fall.

Hussein told Wright long before his "race speech" today, "you get crazy up there!" --- and yet he stayed a member of the church.

Why?

Because the black members want and enjoy a Sunday of crazy being preached --- Does America want a man and his wife that have been a part of that crazy for 20 years in the White House?

Very powerful piece Dr. Y. I write articles for a black man who harbors none of the ills you talk about. He's a firebrand patriot who loves America, so all is not lost.

I've had numerous 50/50 friends and they always felt a bit out of place, and 100% of them related and wanted to fit in more with their black fathers. It was as if they didn't want us white friends to know they had a white mother. Very odd and sad actually. Barack seems a similar lost soul with a chip on his shoulder.

I've been out of town all day, getting in later tonight. I'm on a borrowed computer. Hard to think straight in these circumstances.

ABETA, I'll have a clearer head tomorrow.

Watch out!

Whitetrash, you really mean that?

Hmmm. I promise to read the speech before the week out. I don't know what he could possibly have said, that hasn't been said a thousand times before.

I guess your key word is "public." Said in public. Well, I don't see how that can be, either.

I think Obama approached the whole issue very naively, or else thought everyone in the country was ignorant. Either way, he proved himself totally out of it, out of touch with the country.

I for one don't like being taken or a fool Obama took the country for one big fool. I think that is obvious about now.

20 years under Wright, and "didn't know" what his positions were?

This is deeply insulting to all America. Obama has been caught in a huge, profound LIE. That's all. He thought he could get by with it.

Crises management and the vast majority of Americans are sick of hearing it.

If you can't make it here you can't make it any where.

Hussein gets trapped in more and more of his lies, but I hope the speech keeps him in the race.

I read the entire text of the speech. It’s the most honest discourse on the issue of race in America that I have ever seen in the public sphere.

also I think it should be noted that Obama did everything he could to keep race out of the "race". it was the public and media who have insisted on placing race in the forefront.

at this point, Obama is facing race head on. I think it's courageous. Blacks, whites, Indians, hispanics, we all have a different American experience. There is anger.

I think it was Deloria who said it best something like.

In the colonial mind set the Negro is the beast of burden the Indian a wild animal of the land. Both to be harnessed as they see fit.These words have stuck with me for now on 40 yrs. Phi

There is no Lakota pride here in South Dakota, believe me Tallsoldier until a majority of YOUR people become empowered they will continue to be used by the black system. I am not for Barack or any black leader. What have they done for us and with what pride and honor do you speak of in terms of Barack.

You are a veteran...good and I also see you are a direct descendent you claim of one of the greata fighters in the Little Big Horn...pray tell whom you speak of.

No, we are going to campaign against Obama in Indian country. Not here not there or here, too many blacks leaving their seeds on your reservation.

betty ann

Yeagley I think I get it more than you're willing to admit.

I already stated what I thought back there somewhere, before all of the illogical arguments and stereotypical observations. I said that this is a terrific opportunity to take on some racism head on. To communicate. To attempt to understand that we as Americans come from diverse experiences. Just like watching Fox last night and seeing Hannity and Karl Rove whine about how much they were offended as Americans, when what they really meant was they were offended as "white" Americans.

I'm offended by Rove and Rush Limbaugh. I have real problem with some of the offensive things that come out of Limbaugh's mouth and how Rove has broken rules and Bush has gave him a pardon. There is anger in some of the various ethnicities and the experience that informs this is not something certain segments in America cannot understand. How could the wealthy and the priviledged be expected to understand the middle or poor? How could the wealthy understand the reservation experience?

This is what I'm getting at.

I'm Indian if it matters. You ask what I am and then you say it's all terrible superficial. You're mixed up. I do agree though that it is superficial to know what my ethnicity is. In some cases maybe it would be important, but in this case, I don't think it matters much.

I don't think I'm taking pot shots at you, nor do I see your mixed blood status as a condition. For you to refer to it as such seems troubling to me. Your fear of ethnicity only seems ironic to me, seeing as how you are a product of a mixed race marriage. Does this inform your experience? I would suggest that things have progressed some, not a lot, but some.

What you see as semantics I see as very important. I do not throw around stereotypes. Words are important and how you make your arguments speaks volumes about how sound it is. If the idea isn't sound, the argument won't hold up, simple as that. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to choose your words wisely. Superflurous language and adjectives can only disguise sound sentiment for so long.

ABETA, you don't get it. But, that's okay. I guess I shouldn't have expected you to.

You've played a worn out semantics game from the beginning, seems to me.

You obviously can't bear to identify yourself, or you would. You tried to used my personal 'condition' as some kind negative argument against me, but, you don't feel obligated to put yourself on an even par, so you remain anonymous, as if that is an advantage. Like, are you black, white, mixed? Your comment about whites tells me your black. I don't know. Or a white liberal.

This is all terribly superficial.

What in fact is your point? What are you trying to say? To try to take pot shots at me is nothing. Shows a hollow image (to use the name of black movie).

To accuse someone, effectively, I think you should offer correction-by example. Otherwise, it is really rather meaningless to contradict.

Just state your objections clearly. And don't use words like "stereotype" or "generalization." That is futile. Just say what you think is wrong, not why you think it is wrong. Say what you think it right by saying what you think is the truth. I'm open to the truth. You should say what you think the truth is.

“That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.” ----Sen. Barack Obama (3/18/08)

Sen. Obama is the only presidential candidate in this election who I have seen mention Native Americans with pride and honor in all of his speeches. He is a great man. Consequently, I will cast my vote and support him with Lakota pride and honor. Old man McCain, god bless him, cannot even speak without struggling to see the teleprompter. Hillary cannot make a speech without relying on a team of writers who churn out the same old theme again and again.

SEN. OBAMA IS IN A CLASS ABOVE THE REST, HE LOOKS PRESIDENTIAL WHEN HE SPEAKS, HE MAKES ME PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN INDIAN VETERAN!

Is one supposed to send a resume to post on this site? What about me am I supposed to share other than my ideas? I'm confused as to my ideas cannot be considered without this status you want. Nowhere do I see on your website where a man has to submit a bio for a post to warrant merit. Please direct me to this if I am wrong.

The straw man example was clear. You asked me to give you an example, I did. Picking at straws is a phrase, it's not an illogical fallacy. I don't think you understand the concept or how to see when an argument is faulty and weak. It's called logic.

White people, as we have come to understand it, are a heinz 57 of a people in this country by and large. There are few that identify with one ethnicity or another. To celebrate one's ethnicity or align oneself to it has never been a problem in my book. To assume there is a "white race" seems to me a precarious situation. This phrase is used most often with extremist peoples and nazi culture. I'm not sure what your argument here is. Are you deploring the idea that the phrase "white race" is deemed racist? I would think you should take another look at ethnicity and see for yourself what exactly that term entails and whom aligns themselves with it. I think you would see for yourself the difference between a an who is Irish and English and someone who aligns himself with the "white race". They are two very different things.

Your argument about a president or a MLK speaking for millions is also faulty. The situation you are referring to are leaders, spokespeople, politicians. What you refer to are stereotypes, which are wildly blanket characterizations about a race of people based on a small segment. This is lazy, it lacks discipline and it's wrong. You've erected yet another straw man argument when you say this,

"People speak. The evaluation o what they say is not under their control. Therefore, should no one speak? According to your logic, yes. No one should speak at all."

Again you erect a straw man and tear it down. I never said any of the above nor do my ideas even remotely hint at whatever you're talking about up there.

When you say your dealing with reality and not theory, I think you're referring to stereotype and generalization. You say that I"m not being practical or realistic but I think you mean I'm not resorting to stereotype or making hasty generalizations.

There is a difference.

As for what is African about what you call the American Negro, I only know that is the proper terminology. Black is acceptable too. No one uses the word negro anymore to my knowledge and it is an archaic, outdated term. I assume this is your way of trying to usurp language and to cling to ancient ideas and or harken back to the "good old days". I could be wrong, but your use of the word seems bitter and uneducated.

Everything I've said is serious to me. Whether or not you consider these ideas serious or not seems to be equal to depend on how much my ideas align with yours.

ABETA, about your second comment, which I just now retrieved from the holding file (junk mail--where my own posts often wind up, like everyone else's, due to very tight settings on the pluggins)...

I think the main fallacy with you is your unidentiied status. You think to reprimand or contradict me, based on personal data about me, whereas you have no identity. You are just words on the internet.

Secondly, you are obviously picking at straws, after complaining about straw men.

But, if you don't want to have a serious discussion, just make your comments and move on. You have said anything worthy of serious consideration so far.

Racial concerns are based on what race one identifies with. White people, obviously, cannot or do not conceive of themselves as a race. Those that do are hotly condemned as Nazis. (Now, there's your less-than-academic, truly racist approach.) Therefore, they cannot discuss race very effectively.

And you revert to the semi-idiotic argument that one man doesn't speak for millions. What do you considere then a presidential election? What do you consider MLKing, a fraud? Your objections are sophomoric at best. It isn't a matter of who speaks for whom. It's a matter of who is speaking. People speak. The evaluation o what they say is not under their control. Therefore, should no one speak? According to your logic, yes. No one should speak at all.

This is theory, not reality. We're trying to deal with reality here. I don't know what you're trying to do, but it isn't very practical or realistic.

I consider the American Negro separately from the African Negro. But, this is just your petty complaining. What is "African" about the American negro? Tell me, please. Are you afraid you'll sound 'racist?'

If you have something really serious to say, I would welcome it. If all you have to go on is internet dictionaries, we might as well stop trying to communicate.

Well, it is an interesting juncture in American politics. In hindsight, one can see that it was inevitable. But, to have a white woman (or any woman) and a black man (or black woman) at the same time, in the same presidential election seems a bit over the top. It is a bit comical.

If the Democrats did not get so hysterical about race, gender, and religion, everyone would be a lot better off. Wiser moves would be made.

All I've ever wanted to do was to preserve the Indian nations.

Now, is that conservative and Republican, or liberal and Democrat? Personally, I obviously think it is conservative and Republican. However, it is not seen to be that by either side, really. It just is what it is. Indians have survived by valuing being Indian above anything else.

I give the races their pride. However, the hate whitey bit is a artificial resperation. To love one's own race does not require that you hate someone else's. What they're calling black pride out there is just hating whitey. That is juvenile, but no black person, with real pride, has ever offered anything different.

And black people here in America are not on their homeland. There is no racial analogy between American Indians and any other group of foreigners here. I will not tolerate being associated with any other group. The Indian story is exceptional and unique.

New Office opened in Sioux Falls, SD called NATIVE AMERICANS FOR BARACK OBAMA for PRESIDENT. Very interesting.

betty ann

Excellent article Dr. Yeagley. You hit right into to the heart of the matter. I must add I could not stop laughing when I heard Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his racist pulpit rants on white America. He spoke of Obama being from a single parent home, but he failed to mention Obama was with a white female a Negroe lover. There is a difference there.

I heard the speech of Obama today and once again laughed. I too, do not take my cues or ways into the world by black people. That is not right.

The man is not black. He is not white. He is a lost man with really no racial identity or connection, therefore, he feels the need to join all nations, people together to get that sense of belonging.

Hang in there Dr. Yeagley your words ring true.

betty ann

"t's all about race, again. I have not heard the speech of Barak Hussein Obama about race. He hasn't given it yet. But I already know what he's going to say. He's going to 'equalize' all things. Everyone is basically black. And blacks are like everyone else--meaning they are white. Everyone is the same. Then he will shift over into defense. He will justify the black complaint.

It will only be another example of the psychological greed of the black race. They think they own race, and all things racial. They are the king of race. Barak Hussein Obama will do nothing but exalt the Negro, and equalize all other races into blackness. In one way or another, he will identify with any and all social complaints in the world, and picture the black race as the epitome of discontent, and will encourage every plainiff in the world to identify with the black race.

It is a very weak, slavish approach to racial reality, and a hackneyed attempt to change the leapard's spots"

This is your first straw man argument, you erect and tear down something that Obama hasn't even said. To avoid an extremely long post I'll just suggest you or others refer to a simple wikipedia explanation to the rules of fallacy. I don't want to devote anymore or quotes from your post to it.

You simply cannot use one example of a groups that numbers into millions as a serious example of the group at large. This seems to be your fundamental weakness in regards to looking at race. Even if your assessment of that group is a good one, such as your example of the black church members, academia and all those that actually deal with ethnicity refer to this as racism and stereotype. The scholarship goes against this very idea. It's simplistic, wrong and outdated.

No one said anything about blacks marrying whites, white marrying blacks, etc. I think this is your own deep seated paranoia of racial integration coming into play, ironic in that you yourself are a product of mixed ethnicity.

Also you tend to mix up your own terminology. This quote,

"American blacks are a thousand times better off than any other species of the Negro race."

As I understand it you refer to African Americans as negro and here you say American blacks and refer to all other black people as Negro. Which is it? You can't have it both ways if you are trying to "honor" the African American with this term.

ABATA, what straw men? If you're going to accuse, then offer the evidence. Otherwise, you've shot a blank.

I attended a black church during the entire time I was in college. Mine eyes have seen the glory. I know posturing when see it, or hear it. I must say, I have yet neglected to write about that college experience. To me, the black people I knew in that church are the measure of all black people. I've seen the greatest. I will accept nothing less, or other.

There are no solutions, my friend. Black people are not white. White people are not black. Integration and intermarriage doesn't solve the problem. It is demographically and logistically impossible.

To recognize racial differences in temperament, emotional nature, psychological nature, is not racism. It honors race, for better or for worse. Trying to ignore these differences is what causes the problems.

The straw man builder in this case is Obama himself.

By the way, I wasn't the least bit supprised at Wright's remarks. I'm familiar with all that style and ideology. I must admit, I'm curious to see the white media zero in on it. They truly are unfamiliar with it. I'm certainly not.

I think the agner in American blacks is an opportunist, circumstancial phenomenon. American blacks are a thousand times better off than any other species of the Negro race. But, in America, they have a stage, and they feel obligated to be angry. And, I must say, I think they enjoy it. It gives peak emotion to them; it makes them feel alive and purposeful. "Justice," they say. They think they've had it worse than anyone in the world.

This is a very crippled condition, in my opinion. I'll have none of it.

In your first three paragraphs you succeeded in erecting two straw men arguments about Barack Obama's speech, BEFORE you heard the speech. Amazing.

From what I've read it seems Barack did what I thought he would do, and that is address the issue OF race in this country and the racism that still exists. There are very different experiences in this country.

Something I noticed while watching Fox last night and hearing the white commentators sound off about the repeated soundbites of the revered Jermeiah Wright, is how experience informs our opinions and how very different our experiences are as Americans.

I can understand some of the attitude coming from Obama's church while white people cannot. Some white people could be outraged by the reverands remarks while other will not.

I think this is the point. The fact that Obama even existing as a candidate reinforces this idea, and that is facing the issues of race. This is not to mean the stereotyping of ethnicity, like the owner of this site seemingly does on a daily basis, or the erecting of one race over another, but of attempting to understand each other, of communicating. I think this is a grand opportunity to finally try to work though racism, not to put up borders and feign outrage and something you don't understand.

I consider this a much more admirable approach. Simple minded sterotyping of whole groups of people or deep seated anger toward those that are different than you will only pose more problems and offer no solutions

I love your articles and i think you are very perceptive, but also you have missed alot when it comes to the reasons mostly behind the political correct paradigm in the west today. Here is an article that summons it up pretty well:

http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html

The speech is here under Drudge. Actually, it takes about 5 minutes to figure it out.