Tom,

you are really getting boring.

Tom, please re-read your own words. Joke's on you, if you have the presence of mind to perceive it, in stead of being self-obsorbed in you irrelevant posts.

Get off me and on the topic we're talking about. Can you do that? This is about Hussein, not your little games.

This is actually a silly argument. Think about it.
"- Is the Sudan problem actually just about Muslims? Have you not heard about persecuted Christians? Isn't Obama going after the Muslim government? Isn't maybe human charity the main issue here?"

"- Have you listened to him about Pakistan?
Wow!"

SD,

you need to brush up on BHO's exact writings and speeches and how he proffers things.

Statement on Darfur, Sudan
by Barack Obama

"Genocide is underway in Darfur, Sudan. Already, 50,000 African Muslims have been killed and 1.2 million displaced by the Sudanese Government and by Arab Janjaweed militias armed and encouraged by Khartoum. The Bush Administration itself warned of the magnitude of the crisis, if no action is taken. Andrew Natsios, head of USAID, said in June that "if nothing changes we will have one million casualties." We cannot, in good conscience, stand by and let this genocide continue."

He fails to mention any other deaths in his initial "hook", paragraph although there are not only Muslims dying in Dafur.

WoW! I think you need to learn how to read between the lines --- you are not as well schooled as I thought you were when it comes to Marxists.

Pakistan?????????

Pull out the troops in Iraq and the terrorists problem emanating from Pakistan, what? Triples...Quadruples?

If President BHO pulls out of Iraq, do you honestly believe he would do anything less in a nation that borders Pakistan????? --- WoW! How silly is that?

If memory serves the guy "you're all hot for" proved to the world he needed a geography lesson with respect to this dangerous region of the world --- what else is this overall Marxist neophyte in need of? --- saying change 50,000 times may make you hot, but it does not feed the bull dogs of America --- if BHO gets nominated we (the GOP) are going to humiliate this Chicago corrupt Marxist Negro.

English Literary Traditions 101- Today's lesson: Satire

D.A.Y. wrote: "Tom, that little trick of substituting different names is quite old, and getting boring."

That little "trick" isn't a trick at all. It's a time-honored literary work called "satire". In short, satire is a literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision or wit. In this case, I also used another literary device, "parody", to construct my post. Parody is a literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule.

And you are correct that satire is "quite old". The use of satire is older than Christianity. The earliest written examples found are 2000 years older than Christ.

My post uses your words to point out the folly of your simplistic reasoning. By combining parts of "The Fad of B. Hussein O." and "The Obama Bomb" I sought to show that the logic of your case against Obama could be applied to almost any thing.

My post juxtaposes your supposed "Indianness" with your take on Obama's "Negroness". But using your reasoning, I could have easily proved GW Bush is not a Texan (his father is from Massachusetts), that TV's Lassie insults all collies because he was not a she or that we shouldn't drink water because hydrogen "mated" with oxygen.

As for your charge of this being "boring", in America everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

D.A.Y. wrote: "Try something else, that requires YOU to think."

I thank you for seeing my post as appearing effortless. That, I believe, is a compliment to my writing style because, as you see, there was a fair amount of thought involved.

I'll end this lesson with a quote from white satirist Jonathan Swift:
"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"

Yep. THat's it. Lets us all be black. Get all them white women pregnant with black chillin's.

Good grief. What a prospect. Is that all the black race is about, sexing non-black races? Say it isn't so. Is that all the black race stands for, sex? Say it isn't so?

What are the factors that might make it seem so? The dramatic contrasts? Is that the captivation? Maybe it is all about sex after all. Maybe "rights" has nothing to do with it. It's all about sex and mixing. Like, the blacks want to bleach out, or the opposite, they want to blacken all others.

This is pretty primitive talk, but it seems inevitable, at least as a subject to any thinking, observant person.

It is too late in the day to tell the cornfed overweight lonely white women in Iowa or the left over hippies in NH about sexing the black male. Tis a done deal. Black men are a novelty everyone ones and desires a black male. Obama is living proof of that. And now the white female any female can now move forward and with grace to love, marry and procreate with the black male.

Civil rights, constitution, organizations to create change from a black and white male president what would this be and what would the outcome be?

Religious foundation of America from the beginning will we also see change in that also from christianity to muslim beliefs?

Who would lead the white leaders in this great massive American change? Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, King III, NAACP, Black Caucaus and who will be their supporters. Women like Anne Coulter and the others who attach themselves to the black male.

Everyone wants the black male to succeed so vote for Obama. Do away with Stormfront, White Supremist and KKK organizations and lets create change now.

betty ann

Of course, Barack Obama the "African Muslim" is more concerned about the 50,000 dead "African Muslims" and those 1.2 million that are displaced, than the organized deadly Middle East and Pakistani Muslims hell-bent on killing Americans. GMS

This is actually a silly argument. Think about it.
- Is the Sudan problem actually just about Muslims? Have you not heard about persecuted Christians? Isn't Obama going after the Muslim government? Isn't maybe human charity the main issue here?
- Have you listened to him about Pakistan?
Wow!

Look at yourself and look at what your saying. You could've written a much better blog from a much more concrete position.RN

I completely agree with RN. We wasted all this time and animus just because you "couldn't" say that a Black man can potentially change the American landscape and perspective. I wonder why? I think it is to have the best of both worlds - to say it, and not to say it. It is a bit like what you're allowing TS to do. She says it, you let her, you're exempt.

Anyway I believe this will be your nemesis, as an opinion writer. Look at David Duke. Absolutely nobody takes him seriously. And Jared Taylor is also getting there.

I'm sorry I spent so much energy in the mode of your presentation. I won't do it again.

Gms,
Oprah and her fishwife Oblama are conspiring against the same white women who made them sucessful. How dare they run against Hillary---the first real chance for a woman president. They are trying to blow it for her simply because they can't stand to see an intelligent white woman lead this country. They are racists of the first magnitude.
All white women should now boycott Oprah and the fishwife. White ladies: do not watch that fat idiot, read her magazine, or listen to her retarded radio show. She hates you. She is trying to undermine you. HIllary is you, a smart, fair white woman who comes from hard working people who never got a break.
Hispanic women don't give a hoot about Oprah because she is scary looking and frightens us. Hispanic women got Hillary's back, meija.
Hispanics Vote Blonde 2008

"RN, he doesn't have to even mention it. Do we have to say the sky is blue?"

In this case...yes.

My question is how do you know how he thinks and what he's going to do and you're avoiding all the other questions I and others have raised.

Look at yourself and look at what your saying. You could've written a much better blog from a much more concrete position. IMHO you failed yourself and your conservative perpsective.

What you wrote is simply ridiculous. I expected much more from you. I am disappointed.

I thought Tom's trick was intriguing and gives me alot to ponder.

We will begin soon to simply lay out Bhusso's beliefs and voting record.

He is clearly a liberal, who desire to dissolve the historically established American identity. Race is his innitial impetus.

RN, he doesn't have to even mention it. Do we have to say the sky is blue?

Tom, that little trick of substituting different names is quite old, and getting boring. Try something else, that requires YOU to think.

and we must not forget his kin in Kansas the white mother and her ties to American soil.....health care. He seen the pain of people suffering. He watched his mother die from cancer.

And we must not forget the barriers that were once forbidden here in America. The black male and white female. The segregated walls of mixed marriages that the KKK and other groups created to protect the white female will once and forever be tossed into eternity and we witness the first black/white President work to create change and make no mistake about it, this place called America shall become the dream world of the great melting pot. Living proof that mixed bloods of white and black can lead a nation.

betty ann

Betty Ann-

"Hey Tom you are just a bursting with pride to be a member of badeagle.com huh? Good."

"Pride" doesn't come close to describing how I feel!

"Maybe now you can teach us all how to be real Indians."

Sorry, but no one has that kind of time...

"No other blood line to attack just pure Indian how about that."

Yes, how about that?

"So Tom if you were to vote would you choose obama whatever and why. Thank you."

Always been a Richardson fan and supporter. Congressman, United States Ambassador to the United Nations, Secretary of the Department of Energy and Governor. As a diplomat he's negotiated the release of hostages from North Korea and Iraq. He's confronted Burmese military leaders, Sudanese President al-Bashir, Fidel Castro as well as Saddam Hussein and Tariq Aziz.In short, Bill Richardson has experience that no presidential candidate in either party can match.

Thanks for asking.

Obama on the Iraq War:

During his presidential campaign, Obama proposes complete U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq by the end of March 2008.

Obama on the War In Dafur:

"It has become clear that a U.N.- or NATO-led force is required, and the administration must use diplomacy to override Chinese and Sudanese opposition to such a force and persuade outside troops to join it."

Of course, Barack Obama the "African Muslim" is more concerned about the 50,000 dead "African Muslims" and those 1.2 million that are displaced, than the organized deadly Middle East and Pakistani Muslims hell-bent on killing Americans.

Make no mistake about it; President Obama would stop fighting Muslim terrorism and use the freed up troops to protect "African Muslims,"...his kin, his blood.

Hey Tom you are just a bursting with pride to be a member of badeagle.com huh? Good. Maybe now you can teach us all how to be real Indians. No other blood line to attack just pure Indian how about that.

So Tom if you were to vote would you choose obama whatever and why. Thank you.

betty ann

From the Logic breeds Logic Department:

D. Anthony Yeagley isn't A COMANCHE INDIAN!

If I were a Comanche, I would be so insulted and angry I'd explode. David Anthony Yeagley is not related to the Comanche ethnicity. He has no connection whatsoever to the Comanche. It is pure racism for Indian people to support him simply because he says he's Indian.

Let's establish something here: Comanches are a distinct and special ethnicity of the American Indian. As Scots, Irish, or Welsh hotly distinguish themselves from the English--though all are Caucasian, so the Comanche is to be distinguished from the Nez Pierce, the Ho-chunk, or the Cherokee--though they are all Indian. Why write the Comanche off as just some "Indian" entity, with presumed and full unity with every other Indian ethnicity in America, or every other non-white race in the world? Isn't that a bit "racist," or at least lazy?

David Anthony Yeagley is not a Comanche. That's the only important thing to note. (Is he conservative? Super conservative. But that just happens to be irrelevant.) Riding the wave of ethnic diversity--not an ounce of which is due him; rising high on Indianness--not one twinge of which is related to him; elevating race above Comanche heritage--that's what's happening here. Ethnicity is the peak of the wave. And D. Anthony Y. is not a Comanche. He's just beige, that's all.

The fact that someone like D. Anthony Yeagley, with such a completely GERMAN name, with such a WHITE SUBURBAN BACKGROUND, could think he might speak for Indian people is rather remarkable. Ideologically, he doesn't represent a single historical value of any Indian culture. Rather, he represents all those elements which are in fact intentionally attempting to dissolve the American Indian identity. With people like Yeagley, being Indian is reduced to a mascot ideology, nothing more. With people like Yeagley, the Comanche is important, but only as a way to a means. No deeper value, no other reason for existence.

It is abundantly clear that D. Yeagley is very bad for American Indians. His popularity is symptomatic. It reveals a significant level of confusion about who is Indian, uncertainty about what is Indian, and desperation for a connection to Indians. Therefore, any success he may have only sanctions or encourages more of the same.

Bad Eagle Forums welcomes our newest member Tom making a total of 1415 registered members.

Thanks for noticing! T.

Heard him on C-Span and he did a wonderful job. He touches your heart and for once I did not look at the color of his skin, but his message and the need to create change here in America.

Justice for the people he spoke briefly on and the need for the people to be the ones creating change. I liked that. i liked that because there were times when we seen the need to create change within a system....that this old outdated system would not allow any change to occur. I am making refrence to the American Indian and how the mayor of Sioux falls, the superintendent of the school system, law enforcement, an Iranian all sitting down at a table and holding the lives and future of the American Indian in their hands without any input from the American Indian population. When we see a man or woman who sees this static state of our leaders we can relate to the injustice of a system that does not care nor does seek to empower those disempowered.

But most important he spoke of upholding the US Constitution and no mention of the Indian treaties, but even so, I liked the words he spoke as I am a strong believer in the US Constitution and the Indian Treaties. The rights of the people, the people come first and foremost. This is the change he speaks of. He is not afraid.

betty ann

"I suppose the only people who share my disturbance of these things are people who value ethnicity--or better, who value the meaning of words. I think that is really the issue: words. Names. Some people LOVE to confuse the meaning of words. I've always considered that a liberal trait. In the name of "equality," everyone gets to use any word he wants, whenever and for whatever he wants. This offends me. It offends my mind. It is an abuse of language. It is word robbing. Inflation of words. The result is meaninglessness--which is the prelude to political and social tyranny."

If it's "the use of words" then your argument should've have been on that point, rather then saying Obama isn't an American Blackman and that it is offensive to American Blacks.

I feel your "use of words" you chose were your abusing language all the same, which is why your argument in regards to Obama being an American Blackman doesn't hold up.

Besides he isn't and hasn't run on the platform. You and others put him on that platform.

"I suppose the only people who share my disturbance of these things are people who value ethnicity--or better, who value the meaning of words. I think that is really the issue: words. Names. Some people LOVE to confuse the meaning of words. I've always considered that a liberal trait. In the name of "equality," everyone gets to use any word he wants, whenever and for whatever he wants. This offends me. It offends my mind. It is an abuse of language. It is word robbing. Inflation of words. The result is meaninglessness--which is the prelude to political and social tyranny."

If it's "the use of words" then your argument should've have been on that point, rather then saying Obama isn't an American Blackman and that it is offensive to American Blacks.

I feel your "use of words" you chose were your abusing language all the same, which is why your argument in regards to Obama being an American Blackman doesn't hold up.

Besides he isn't and hasn't run on the platform. You and others put him on that platform.

Okay, back on line. (Had an interesting sabbath...)

Some one brought up Rudy Youngblood. Yes, I was quite angry that a non-Indian would claim to be an esteemed member of my tribe. I am vicariously offended that Bhusso should be considered an American Negro. I'm also offended at the fact that Michael Richards passed himself off as Jewish. I suppose the only people who share my disturbance of these things are people who value ethnicity--or better, who value the meaning of words. I think that is really the issue: words. Names. Some people LOVE to confuse the meaning of words. I've always considered that a liberal trait. In the name of "equality," everyone gets to use any word he wants, whenever and for whatever he wants. This offends me. It offends my mind. It is an abuse of language. It is word robbing. Inflation of words. The result is meaninglessness--which is the prelude to political and social tyranny.

i wrote about Storm Lake, Iowa and the KKK going through Iowa. Tolerance of being tolerant of the other non white races. Iowa where Obama won. White guilt? Downplaying the white arrogance, privilege and pride in that state? KKK the protection of white womanhood. Speak volumes.

Although, I do not agree with the black race I do wish protection from not only humans but the man upstairs to protect this man, no matter the color of his skin.

thundersky

Concha,

I think you are being to hard on the San Franciscan powers that be.

Don't forget "Ofe-rah" is in her fat Queen, leftist, larval laying state, as evinced by her endorsement of the closet-Muslim Obama; and the Golden Gate does have weight restrictions...Safety first!...Close the bridge to normal traffic flow until "Ofe-rah," her entourage and her supply lines of assorted pork products passes over.

A husband and wife are seen as one in the eyes of God. What God has joined together let no man part. Obamas wife may have made reference to the color of his skin, but she is one with him.

What is America looking for in terms of change? What is the magic that he possesses to create change. Think about that.

I love America. I would rather vote and die for the white system, there is safety there than to go astray and vote for someone who has not made any reference to the American Indians. If he did, I must have missed it.

betty ann

thundersky,
this country wants any change EXCEPT have a woman president. Anything but that--God forbid, we have an intelligent, experienced woman lead this country.
Look at the hostility directed at her--Beakerkin calls her a communist, Tom states that she is meaningless. Unbelievable. I think those who apologize for Mr. Nobody Obama are redneck misogynists. I think the racists are voting for Obama, because like David Yeagley says, he is a "safe, clean negro" for them to show off, like a favored slave.
The "Look at me, I voted for an Uncle Tom black, therefore I'm not a racist," drivel that comes out of white America makes me sick.
If Obama becomes president I am leaving this country. If America wants to vote for an Uncle Tom do-nothing over a woman than I do not want to live here.
Hispanics vote blonde 2008!

Iowa loves Obama and so do other states. There will be great change here in America when he wins. And he will become the first black President of the United States of America. Even the papers referred to him by the color of his skin.

What will change here in America? The white foundation? History says that the pope when this land was still being discovered was based on the ideology of the catholic belief system I may be wrong but this is the way I seen it...so will them values change also of one nation under God.

What is it that America is looking for in terms of change. This is our time for change etc. What change will happen?

thundersky

All I'm saying is that if the race of a candidate is an issue, then it's better to say it that way, rather than hiding behind "false American Negro", and "Closeted Muslim."

Obama hasn't as yet demonstrated any race-dividing platforms. His wife, and I believe Oprah (and his pastor, definetely) have. But he hasn't.

My point is that not all blacks are race-dividers. Some very intelligently build their lives and careers around a clear understanding that the majority is white, was white, and will always be white. Sowell and Thomas (and even Powell) are some examples.

Before accusing Obama of degenerating American life, it is better to discuss calmly and with facts, what his positions are, appear to be, are deduced to be. Isn't that the "American Way?"

Rather than resort to unsubstantiated mudslinging you boys oughta be out trying to bolster the candidate that can beat Obama. Hint: It ain't Huckabee or Paul...

You're a day late and a dollar short in your race-baiting. In a state with 98% white population 38% of 220,000 Democrats and Independents chose Obama.

Your meaningless tactics are no better than Hillary's...

I like that concha. Need to take back American values. Protect America and we do this by becoming vigilante. i agree with Dr.Yeagley and GMS.

thundersky

We are being punished in California because Oprah lives here and is poisoning our elections with her devil-dough.
Last night we had a hurricane--this has never happened before. I call it "Hurricane Oprah"--A whirlwind of evil demon-do that is trying to hypnotize all the farm women into voting for a Muslim with ties to crazy, violent Kenya. Hurricane Oprah actually shut down the Golden Gate Bridge last night--unprecedented--and has toppled many innocent trees. She is a diabolical presence, an evil vortex, and she is corrupting our country.
Expect a major earthquake in California, or more freak storms within the next few months. Hurricane Oprah will wreak her destruction on us, she is bad karma.
Oprah Windfrey, go away, and don't come back another day!

The argument is lost when one resorts to calling names. It's a last ditch effort, but lost nonetheless.

You know, GMS, neither you nor David has established the illegitimacy of Obama's present record, and accuse him of race-mongering, and still adhering to his past Muslim background. I wonder if you have other motives, desires, feelings...

There are many things wrong with Obama, but on a public forum, this kind of argument is juvenile, at best. The real arguments of what his presidency would mean are lost in what's ended up as name-calling.

Why not start a myspace website and post your very own "commentary"? Quite honestly, that's how juvenile you're becoming.

Plus, you both keep citing one article by a woman who has a record of erratic behavior. And her's is the only record that you keep citing. Bring on the evidence, will you?

Beakerkin,
Hillary is hugely popular in California, and before you say 'who cares' and that we're all a bunch of pinko commies, remember that EVERYTHING starts in California.
Secondly, my great grandmother was a 'quadroon,' except we didn't use that term in Mexico. We said something else, which I won't repeat here, but it's no biggie. Being afraid of saying 'quadroon' is in fact a commie liberal attitude, so you may be a hypocrite in that regard.
Vote Blonde!

BHO, show do vote like an American Negro ---The NAACP gives him a 100% when it comes to the way he votes on Negro issue bills in the senate

This Negro doesn't have my best interests at heart with that voting record. --- it sounds like this man could be a racist.

...is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?...

So...I, a Catholic-American -Italian with a superior intellect and breeding, am to believe that one Barack Hussein Obama (closet Mohammedan), has not had his world view perverted, whatsoever, by being raised at the hand of a Kenyan Mohammedan.

What person in their right mind would take the chance that BHO would have an Islamic madrassa flashback while occupying the Oval Office? --- Ewe! Ewe! I know...America hating Liberalscum Democrats.

Ofe-rah! Ofe-rah! Great and grand, please tell us what books to read and which magical, closet-Muslim-Negro it is time to vote for so we can prove we are not racists.

This argument comes from the Clintonistas in the media. It is true that the only connection of Obama to slavery in America was that his mothers family owned slaves generations ago.

I have never been a fan of this because it is part of the Communist game of deciding who is authentic.Commies often play this game with Blacks and Native American Conservatives. Oddly, they comedically play this game with Jews in America who are anti Communist.

Who wants to go back to the days of octoons and quadroons? The Clinton media allies should be ashamed of themselves. Rush Limbaugh parodied this
in his song Obama the Magic Negro and was kicked around the blogosphere by those who did not understand the parody.

Hillary is just not likeable outside of media circles.

I think he involved in a gigantic manipulation here.

I can't seem to post my full response here, so you can read it (my final one) at the forum at this link. Just scroll to the last post.

I think he involved in a gigantic manipulation here.

How? Why?

Actually, you still haven't responded to the blanket "white American". Double standards, no? Also, you haven't commented on Obama's platform. He hasn't said, demonstrated, or indicated that he's running as a Black. And even if he were, the double standard with white Americans makes your point null and void.

Intuition is one thing, facts are another. I remember this same kind of rather irrational commentary regarding Zidane.

What would you say if a "true American Negro" were to run for president? And on a clear Black platform?

Bhusso. Name calling?

Do you really think that Obama will win or loose based on radical blacks like Oprah? Hillary is on the hot seat because she went on about her "femaleness", whined, actually. Gender and race mongering I think actually hurt candidates.

Hey, I'm not just for the coloreds. I have defended the English when undeservedly insulted by the Scots.

DY said: "Let's leave me out of this...I'm not running for president. (Sorry Concha!) Why does the conversation fall back on me?"

You made such a big stink about Obama's ethnicity, which is why you can't be left outta it! And it comes back to why do you feel the need to speak out about a blackman and his unconnectedness to the American black experience when he was born a black man in America experiencing being black in America?

Same goes for you speaking about your Comanche experience when you ran for Vice Chair. Did you grow up around Comanches enough to validate an experience?

Bhusso, BushCo, what's the diference? Do you think Obama has any problem getting: a cab; a table at Cracker Barrel; called for jury duty; driving alone at night in a nice car in a rich white neighborhood? Does not being a 'real' American Negro have anything to do with that?

After they lost the Okie from Muskogie, is there really anything else they can lose?

"Look at the larger picture Obama was born an American nonetheless therefore that makes him just as much legitmate to be labeld "black" (or should I use your preference of words and use negro?) as you are to be labeled a Comanche"

Well said, RespectsNothing.

And yes David, it is relevant, his mother was American, your mother was Comanche. He is an American. He was born in America and his mother is American. Why do you keep focusing on the father? Typical. I have noticed the same crap from you back when you couldn't get over Rudy Youngblood's mixed ethnicities. It freaked you out. The real issue here is you, David, you are not at peace with yourself and your mixed background. Seek help.

With that being said, I do think you are right on the money about why white liberals support him. Few paragraphs you wrote made me lol.

The analogy between me and Bhusso is impossible. Not comparable.

Let's leave me out of this. It's Bhusso we're talking about, anyway. I'm not running for president. (Sorry Concha!) Why does the conversation fall back on me?

The identity of the American Negro is as important as any other ethnicity in America, but here we have everyone burying it alive! Bhusso (that's B. Hussein O., shortened) is "American." I never said he wasn't. I said, again, He is not an American Negro. The Negro in him is African, not American. I'm insisting on a separate American ethnicity in the Negro race. This Bhusso doesn't have. I think he involved in a gigantic manipulation here. Yes, it infuriates me. I don't write him off as innocent in this.

That black people would be so anxious to have a token social status as "president" that they would turn a completely blind eye to the fact that Bhusso is not American Negro--this troubles me. "Deeply troubling," as Hillary would say.

The popularity is a fad thing. It will go on for a good while. I guarantee you, I will make this a national issue before I'm through.

Why? Everyone's ethnicity is denigrated by this. The authenticity of ethnicity is beclouded. The whole reality is insulted. This is racial costume parade.

(Reminder: nothing wrong with Oprah, Bhusso, or American blacks. It's the way this is happening that is detrimental to all, in the long run.)

DY said: "He shares no history with the American Negro."

Neither do you so why are you telling them what is best for them and what is not?

Neither do you have experience as a black man or negro so how can you say what label (black negro whatever) he is running under or not for that matter.

I wish there was a way to edit these comments.

But, as the discussion is getting more colorful :), I should add that there is nowhere in Obama's campaign that he's running as a Negro - irrespective of what Oprah does.

If you're projecting a fear that he will, that's a whole other argument, like I've said before.

I should say "similar" argument. You cannot say that Hawaii isn't American. Like I said, how about Alaska - separated by another land mass, no less!

Being born in Hawaii, of an African father, doesn't make you an American Negro. He shares no history with the American Negro.

"Being born of an Austrian father, in Austria, doesn't make you an American White. He shares no history with the American White."

Same argument.

Here is one of the Arnold blogs. Heavy on the Germanic part. Since when did Americans have a blind adoration of Germans? If I remember rightly, when German was becoming the predominant language, native Americans stopped it - i.e. banned it.

Here's another suggestion from the blog that the Iranian Rez Pahlavi would be an even better choice.

"Only I happen to be making the real point. It's everyone else doesn't give a ----- about the American Negro identity, as if it is nothing."

Yet alot of your diatribe is in telling the American public (cause we're too ignorant for our own good) how awful the black man is to America.

I really find it hard to believe that you give a s*@t about black people let alone their identity.

"Being born in Hawaii, of an African father, doesn't make you an American Negro. He shares no history with the American Negro."

So does being born half Comanche make you an American Indian?

Look at the larger picture Obama was born an American nonetheless therefore that makes him just as much legitmate to be labeld "black" (or should I use your preference of words and use negro?) as you are to be labeled a Comanche.

There is no racism about it IMHO except from you.

I can't stand this madness, I am going to start volunteering for Hillary YEAH I said that HILLARY!
She seems like the most normal, intelligent person in this race. She has long roots in this country--she comes from coal miners, her people were good folks.
If no Indian will stand up and run then I will have to go with the blonde.

"I think I will vote for that nice Mr Hitler. I like his views on law & order and his tough stance on immigration."

Let's do this again: Being born in Hawaii, of an African father, doesn't make you an American Negro. He shares no history with the American Negro.

What's happening here is just like when they try to put all "indigenous" peoples of North and South America together as a wonder of "unity."

Just because people are of the same race doesn't mean they have the enthnicity or history or language, or culture, or religion, or values.

The "unity" craze is just some power grab, that's all.

Bhusso is is black, and Bhusso is American (some kind of American)...He is simply not an American Negro. That name means something. At least to me.

Glossing over this is bad for all ethnicities. That's why I'm making a point of it. Bhusso doesn't have to make a point of it. Everyone else is doing it for him. Only I happen to be making the real point. It's everyone else doesn't give a ----- about the American Negro identity, as if it is nothing. Even black people are acting as if it is nothing. Black is black. No ethnicities within.

This is pure RACISM. These same people don't allow whites the same privilege, you'll note.

Seriously, if Obama was a white man... would we have ever heard of this guy? He is the "multi-cultist" dreamboat, and Huckabee is the "family values" huckster. Huck and B-rock are smarter than the treasonous imbecile currently smelling up the W.H., but just as craven.

It's absurd to take this dog and pony show seriously. These two parties are the two faces of the same filthy, treasonous crowd of money grubbing pigs.

BTW I'm not in favor or oppose Obama, just wondering why your underpants are all in a bunch about something you obviously have no voice in?

Since when do you care if an American Black person or non-American Black person (which you haven't proven being that he was born in Hawaii) represents Black people in the US? Why should you care? You obviously don't like black people so why bother writing about it?

And I didn't exactly see you hollering about Arnold in California.

Wrong on all counts, Tom.

Barack is also Arabic, and the child was named by his black African Muslim father. Forget the Jewish bit. Here's a nice little link for you. Scroll down a bit, under "Barack." From Arabic for "blessing." Barok would be Hebrew for blessing (but actually means "bend.") Or you can try Debbi Schlussel's take on "Barack."

Not black enough? That's your take. I never said anything that was remotely relevant or similar to your assertion. That's you, not me.

You obviously have no concern for the American Negro. Fine. That's okay. I do. I'm concerned about race, particularly about preserving the American Indian. (I don't know if you're concerned about that or not.) I share this same concern for other races and ethnicities.

It's pretty "stupid" of you to miss the main points here.

So a half-black man is criticized by a half-white man for not being "black" enough? That's the stupidest thing I've heard all week.

I wasn't that keen on Barack up to now but you guys are changing my perception.

BTW, "barack" is the Hebrew word for "lightning".

You are splitting hairs. Racial distinctions are irrelevant in this country. A darkie, is a darkie, is a darkie, period.
Huckabizzle's campaign manager still jokes about flying the confederate flag over the SC state capitol:
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/13a3122e-dfd6-4d8a-81a3-bc8c6e11f550

I will vote for a white any day versus a black. The lesser of two evils.

If you hadn't cut off the last discussion, I was coming back on to say this: I do think Oprah has come out publicly and actively for Obama rather than Hillary because, all things being equal (like who is the biggest Lefty Lib in the contest), race trumped sex. Oprah chose Bruthuh Obama over Sistuh Hillary (also from Illinois and wife of our first 'Black' Prez) likely because he's way cooler and he can beat Hillary if all the power brokers get behind him. Obama's daddy may be from Kenya, and he may not have lived on mainland America while growing up, and he may have attended muslim schools in Indonesia, and his mom is white as white can be -- But none of that matters. It is all about who's the coolest, and Hillary just isn't. So, go for Obama - a young dynamic man who could be the next Kennedy, only tanner. It's the White libs that are giving Obama his day in the sunshine. I think he very well may get the nomination for no other reason than his extreme politics are wrapped up in a very nice looking smooth talking package. White guilt will be assuaged just as soon as we can cast our vote for the pretty Black man with the lovely articulate lawyer wife (the real brains in the family, I suspect).

LASTLY: There are hugely competent well-qualified Black Americans out there who refuse to get into politics because there just isn't any point - you can get way more done by staying out of politics. The Race Warlords have cornered the Media(Jackson, Sharpton, Whoopi, et.al.) and hog the stage declaring that there has been no progress for Blacks in America despite all the facts to the contrary -but the Liberal Media establishment lap it up and make people believe things that aren't so. You would think we are going back to separate water fountains - not because Whites want it, but Blacks do. Separate dormitories. Separate cafeteria areas. Separate and Superior, as long as you aren't White.

I forgot to add that your argument seems to say that slavery is the defining point of American blackness. I.e. living there practically all your life doesn't count. If Hawaii isn't US, then Alaska isn't either, no?

Well how about the Mayflower as the defining record of American whiteness?

This is getting interesting!!

This is getting quite visceral, isn't it? When did Obama actually run on the "race" issue? What does he mean by "change?" He talks a lot about social change, military change, but I've never heard him talk about racial change. He has completely ignored the exploding racial issues (Katrina, Jenna 6, etc...) of the past year.

So, once again, unless you can substantiate the racial component of Obama's run for presidency, no one can take your comments seriously, other than to say that any white is OK, but no black will do. Which is fine, and might be an interesting argument.

Obama was born in Hawaii, lived only a few years in the East, came back to US territory, and lived from young adolescence and adulthood in the US.

I think your issue is that you think he's running on the "black agenda." But you haven't proven that yet.

By the way, I'm playing devil's advocate, since I have no vested interest in Obama's presidency.

Here's my post from the previous blog, which I think is pertinent to this one.

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Well, how about an Austrian white? And there was even talk of changing the amendment to allow foreigner-born citizens to become president - which Obama isn't.

Plus, Hawaii is American. And Obama lived more years as an American then Arnold, by what I can gather.

I just think it is the idea of a black guy as president that's causing this commentary. If that is the case, it is better to come out in the open and say it. There may be many valid reasons. But to coat it in rather obscure references at "foreigner" and "Muslim" doesn't really advance the debate too much.

What if he were a Chinese? A Mexican? Born elsewhere, but an American citizen?

By the way, I would have a very hard time voting for a Chinese "Canadian." And it would involve race, culture, etc... If that is the argument against Obama, let's hear it then.

When I think of the utter superficiality going on in discussions now, the absolute FEAR of talking about race, I want to throw in the towel. People are disgustingly superficial--especially the professional talkers!

They've been so afraid of losing their job for so long, they don't even know HOW to talk seriously.

This is unbelievable.

Being born in Hawaii doesn't make B. Hussein O. an American Negro. His father was an African Muslim, a Kenyan native.

There is no association of B. Hussein O. with the American Negro, historically, ethnically, or rationally. It's only a general racist-based notion that would make people think of Bhusso as an American Negro.

His popularity among non-blacks is actually hatred or racism against American blacks.