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• 1 David Yeagley // Jul 28, 2011 at 4:05 pm   

  Theories abound, already, as to what went into the thinking of Breivik. Here’s an interesting one:

  Did Medieval Knights Templar Influence Breivik?

  And here’s another couple that claim Breivik was FreeMason:

  Frimurer Anders Behring

  Norway Shooter is a Freemason? Dark Ecstatic Ritual?

  Again, my point is, the act transcends whatever thought went into it. It speaks to deeper human intuitions than superficial ideologies. Europe has always been characterized by sub-societies, especially secret societies. It is perhaps an old Roman carry-over. A gigantic act like Breivik’s, however, makes all that seem almost irrelevant.

• 2 Thrasymachus // Jul 28, 2011 at 5:44 pm   

  Human nature is complex. Simple explanations fail. The subject of this article is an example of such complexity.

  Sometimes “the creed compels the deed”; sometimes not.

  Whenever the government is perceived as tyrannical and fundamentally and unbearably unjust, someone may react. It matters not at all whether the government in question is right wing or left wing; resisting tyranny is motivation.

  European mankind, in general, are a fun-loving and freedom-needing people. And that which threatens one’s core needs will eventually come under attack. Though tyranny can flourish for a time in Europe, it eventually goes under and Liberty emerges to replace it. As Abraham Lincoln observed, “You cannot fool all the people all the time.”

• 3 Thrasymachus // Jul 28, 2011 at 5:52 pm   

  My belief is that Whites, generally, are very long-suffering. But when their patience is taxed to the utmost limit, they rebel. This is not always insanity. Any sentient human being who feels that evil is winning over good and unrighteousness is prevailing over righteousness can become angry and even desperate.

  God does not desire Man to exercise dominion over Man. When tyrants usurp God’s Authority, human nature naturally rebels. People do not want to live their lives in fear and dread of their government and its policies. I think that God made us that way.

  It is not a question of promoting violence or revolution. The point is that if prolonged abuses are practiced, human nature will rebel. Let leaders and would-be leaders take heed. If governments do not abuse the people, they will have nothing to fear.

• 4 Sioux // Jul 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm   

  This violence against human dignity is perpetrated by more institutions than the government. I am seeing it in the workplace for at least the past three years. Forced vaccinations. Social justice preached as part of the mission. Diversity at the expense of hiring the best qualified. Then there’s the Schools – Fuhgeddaboutit. I am with Vinnie – let’s beat the crap out of those in charge -they are not following the rules or the laws, and they are out to destroy this Nation.

  Regarding Breivik shooting up the little Nazis in training, here is a very compelling take by Debbie Schlussel, who calls it as she sees it. She has alot of chutzpah, too!

  http://www.debbieschlussel.com/40417/karma-norway-camp-breivik-shot-up-celebrated-hamas-jew-hatred/

• 5 Thrasymachus // Jul 28, 2011 at 7:04 pm   

  According to the television report, at least 50% of the Norwegian people are OPPOSED TO multiculturalism. Native-born citizens are being forced out of their jobs and neighborhoods.

  Liberalism is the culprit in this incident.

  Liberalism is NOT democracy. It is the forced will of a selfish elite to make nations poor and disfunctional. In no country did the people ever vote for foreign immigration to replace the native population.

• 6 Thrasymachus // Jul 28, 2011 at 7:25 pm   

  Could this article shed some light on the nature of the problem?

  “. . . liberalism is indeed a form of insanity. . .”

• 7 Thrasymachus // Jul 28, 2011 at 7:35 pm   

  Interesing article that explains that “Liberalism is a profound error.”

• 8 David Yeagley // Jul 28, 2011 at 9:51 pm   

  Did you see this one?

  Anti-Zionists Try to Blame Mossad for Norway Terror

  It did not take long for anti-Zionists to try to pin the massacre in Norway on Israel. The theory began with a way-out blog but now has reached Al Jazeera.

• 9 Asaph // Jul 29, 2011 at 4:58 am   

  Vinnie, in court, would have to prove a few things.
  1. That he was actually fouled, thrice.
  2. That the fouls impaired Vinnie’s performance in a critical way.
  3. That the Ref SAW the infractions and willfully neglected the events.

  And even then Vinnie is going to be found guilty of a crime, simply because a GAME does not warrant taking a life. And your illustration falls short still, because in reality Vinnie should have gone into the stands and killed the Ref’s teenage son watching the game. And anyone who thinks Vinnie is sick and evil is correct. NO ONE would be surprised if he punched out the player. But going after the Ref’s child to get back at the Ref and make a statement? That is beyond serious thought. It’s completely stupid.

  So, Vinnie figures, if I take out the Ref’s son he will no longer ignore the infractions. Right.

  BTW, I know a man who was involved in Hitler’s Youth. He used to work for the SDAs as a colporteur, and even ran the conference district at one time. People always saw him as a tough German. I did. And that whole background was always in everyone’s mind. Until the day he came over to visit me, and we sat under the shade of some trees and talked about things. I saw him in a totally different light.

  MANY youth yanked into Hitler’s service did NOT want to be there, involved in any way.

  The day we condone violence towards children, teens, is the day we may as well hang up our humanity and close the door. Our souls are gone.

• 10 Asaph // Jul 29, 2011 at 5:13 am   

  I realize, David, you are not condoning, outright, the slaying of youth. But you are closely bordering that, as I am reading this. You cannot leave your Christian principles at the door because Islam has none. You cannot disregard the Word because Islam is marching and may take your very freedom away some day. God can as easily send in hornets or a great wind and wipe out Islam in a moment. So, really, if the world is facing Islamic dominance rather than the spiritual power of the kingdom of Christ the real problem is the people making up the kingdom of Christ, or profession therein. Shall we go after them and taker them out and hope to purify the kingdom so we can fight the good fight and defeat Islam? No. Christ forbids it. Wheat and tares grow until the harvest.

  Multiculturalism is a philosophical argument which doesn’t have any hard facts to denounce it. Islam is not even a hard fact in this world. Many are blinded by factions of Islam, or at least, the pretense of factions. So, now, Sarkozy, Merkel and Co. begin to see, when it comes to Islam, multiculturalism does not work. Otherwise, they see no problems with it when people get along.

  People cannot go around killing people, innocent or otherwise because of what they are doing or not doing. The Breiviks of the world are crazy. Those who are of right mind can shout out loud and hope that people see and hope for results, or pick up their lives and go elsewhere. But killing people because you don’t like what politicians are doing is crazy, pure and simple.

• 11 Asaph // Jul 29, 2011 at 5:20 am   

  BTW, Beck’s comment about Hitler youth camps was pretty ill-spoken, and pointed out to be so because of all kinds of youth camps involved in politics, including conservative camps.

• 12 Sioux // Jul 29, 2011 at 6:20 am   

  Asaph- did you look at the Debbie Schlussel link? There are photographs of what was going on at that “camp.”

  I remember a passage in Samuel 1:15 when Saul was told to that he was to go destroy the Amalek, everyone, men, women, children, babies, all the animals – Saul disobeyed the order and didn’t kill everyone. Just saying – this revered status of children and youth now (words, but not so much with actions) is rather unique in history.

• 13 WHEELER // Jul 29, 2011 at 7:25 am   

  I am all with you, Dr. Yeagley. I totally agree. Lawrence Auster and all his commentators along with all the wimpy Catholics at “What’s Wrong With the World” Blog are all calling him a monster and evil.

  I pointed out the same thing you did and my comments were deleted at What’s Wrong With the World. One of the Problems with the World is the Christian Church. Instead of defending the people, they have accepted totally Cultural Marxism. Cultural Marxism has become “christianity”. It is the Christian churches, Catholic and Protestant that are betraying their people and going against the logos.

• 14 WHEELER // Jul 29, 2011 at 7:27 am   

  An excerpt from Plato in the Menexenus which I think everybody ought to hear:

  “Such was the natural nobility of this city, so sound and healthy was the spirit of freedom among us, and the instinctive dislike of the barbarian, because we are pure Hellenes, having no admixture of barbarism in us. For we are not like many others, descendants of Pelops, or Cadmus or Aegyptus or Danaus, who are by nature barbarians, and yet pass for Hellenes, uncontaminated by any foreign element, and therfore the hatred of the foreigner has passed unadulterated into the lifeblood of the city. And so, notwithstanding our noble sentiments, we were again isolated, because we were unwilling to be guilty of the base and unholy act of giving up Hellenes to barbarians.” (sec. 245, c,d,e.)

  “…Sons, the event proves that your fathers were brave men, for we might have lived dishonorably, but have preferred to die honorably rather than bring you and your children into disgrace, and rather than dishonor our own fathers and forefathers–considering that life is not life to one who is a dishonor to his race, and that to such a one neither men nor gods are friendly, wither while he is on the earth or after death in the world below.” (sec. 246, d)

  To dishonor one’s forebears is adikia, unrighteousness. To betray, to commit treason, is an offense here in this life and in the next. To betray nation is a crime that God nor man will forgive. Jesus said of Judas—”Better had he not been born”. This will be the result of every traitor.

  As Xenophon says, “The Wicked man is both a coward and a traitor”, for from a wicked man comes bad fruit. A wicked man can not be good, can not produce good fruit. It is his lot to betray. He can not help himself.

  “Jesus had his Judas, we have our ten thousands”.

• 15 David Yeagley // Jul 29, 2011 at 10:20 am   

  Asaph, either you’re still not getting my point, or I’m not making it cleary, or you’re simply making another point.

  Society has already condoned killing infants. How innocent can you get? What’s to object then, about killing teenagers? The “innocent” bit doesn’t work.

  If you take the position that killing, of any kind, is immoral, and wrong, then you’re not in Biblical reality. The difference, of course, is who is judge of when and what to kill.

  If the issue is right killing and wrong killing, then we’re lost in the argument. Personal murder is against the 6th Commandment. War is not.

  Do you concede that there is such a thing as war, this side of the cross? I mean “legitimate” war? Or simply, that the Christian cannot engage in it?

  In war, it doesn’t matter who is killed, or who does th killing. That is the nature of war. The Geneva Convention tries to lay out some kind of standards of conduct. But, Islam has destroyed all that.

  Islam has destroyed all human dignity and expectation of decency. We’re put in the position of either killing, or being killed. That is what Islam has done to the modern world.

  The globalist leaders are on the side of Islam. And I think you have obfuscated Vinnie’s story, entirely. The analogies to the Norway youth camp don’t fit Vinnie’s story at all. I mean, I don’t think Breivik considered the camp kids the sons of the referee. The kids were part of the war. The ref’s kid in the stands would have nothing to do with the game.

• 16 David Yeagley // Jul 29, 2011 at 10:56 am   

  Some Germans are upset. A cadre of hackers are trying to destroy (or distort) Breivik’s Manifesto

  ‘Ensure that Anders becomes a joke’: hackers act to wipe out Norway manifesto

  These are no doubt liberals. It has been very difficult for Germany to evolve out of the post-WWII syndrome. They are afraid to talk or even think about nationality, ethnicity, or even race.

• 17 zephyr // Jul 29, 2011 at 2:22 pm   

  Sioux–I’ve thought the same thing. Two generations ago an 18 or 19 year old “kid” would have been married with kids of their own. Now Pelosi insists that people are “children” until they are 26–or at least, they can still be considered “dependents”!

  I recently had the privilege of doing some genealogical work on my own family tree. Looking back over the U.S. Census records from 1910-1930, it’s clear that marrying as a teenager was still prevalent even then–and dying before the age of 60, often before 50. Twenty-five hardly seems like “middle age” today.

  In some ways, it’s sad that adults have lowered the bar of expectations for teens so far.

• 18 David Yeagley // Jul 29, 2011 at 2:46 pm   

  More from Debbie Schlussel:

  Karma #2: Norway Utoya Camp Was Also FATAH PLO Terrorist Camp

• 19 Thrasymachus // Jul 29, 2011 at 4:06 pm   

  An attack on racial-national integrity is a very serious moral offense. Multiculturalism is the deliberate decision to sacrifice one’s race (and ancestry) on the altar of a politico-philosophical ideology.

  The attack on Western Civilization is a direct attack on the gene pool of European nations. Miscegenation is explicitly encouraged.

  Many ancient nations have walked off the stage of History in this practice. When this is done systematically, with a purpose, it is hideous and cruel. To abandon one’s nation to multiculturalism is to commit national suicide.

  “The wages of sin is death.” This is true not only of individuals, but of nations and cultures as well. Since multiculturalism produces national death, it shows itself to be sin.

• 20 Asaph // Jul 29, 2011 at 4:43 pm   

  “Society has already condoned killing infants. How innocent can you get? What’s to object then, about killing teenagers? The “innocent” bit doesn’t work.”

  Why do YOU keep saying innocent? I stated defenseless numerous times. These young people were defenseless, were they not? Are you condoning the killing, in war, of defenseless people?

  Describe this war to me, David. Show me the uniforms, the flags, the battlefield, and the exact nature of the enemy on all, every front. Good luck.

  Same as abortion. It was condoned by the SCOTUS. The majority of Americans do not condone it. And, the issue shows the confusion just the same as “what and who is Islam.” For many, a baby is not a baby until it is born. Otherwise it is a fetus. For others it is a baby from the moment of conception, for others even before then, if Scripture is considered. So, the infant is not the same as this situation in the minds of millions of people.

  If you believe the youth group is part of an army, part of a front of physical warfare, explain how. How? Even if they were having meetings on how to allow more Muslims into the nation, it is philosophical to claim that is warfare planning. Who fired the shots in Norway? WHO fired the first shots? Now, do you think the people of Norway are going to take up arms to drive liberals out of office and Muslims from their land with the blood stained banner of Breivik held high? Are you kidding me?

• 21 Asaph // Jul 29, 2011 at 4:59 pm   

  I guess the question should be DO YOU think the people of Norway SHOULD take up arms and drive the Muslims out and Liberals out of office?

• 22 Pamela K. // Jul 29, 2011 at 5:06 pm   

  As this debate wears on, I am becoming more convinced that Breivik, like Jarrod Loughner, might have been put up to his dirty deeds, not so much for being a dissenter against his government, but to serve as a distraction of some kind. While I am no conspiracy theorist, this whole incident is weird and getting even weirder as time goes on!

  http://www.infowars.com/analyzing-the-oslo-attacks-part-three-more-information-and-even-more-unclear/

• 23 Asaph // Jul 29, 2011 at 5:10 pm   

  Are we now saying those who stand politically against Israel warrant elimination? “Guilt” worthy of death and “innocence” worthy of life are now going to be established by political philosophy?

  Have mercy.

• 24 Thrasymachus // Jul 29, 2011 at 5:14 pm   

  “I guess the question should be DO YOU think the people of Norway SHOULD take up arms and drive the Muslims out and Liberals out of office?” — Asaph

  My answer would be “Yes.”

  A major part of the problem is the presence of Islam in Europe. Some Whites are succumbing to the pressures of Islamic evangelism and are converting to that morbid creed, in all nations with high numbers of Muslim immigrants.

  I know that the above-quoted question was not addressed to me, but I’d like to give my opinion.

  I would like to see native nationalism grow very strong in Europe. There needs to be a continent-wide movement to restore Europe to the natives there. And, yes, this cannot be accomplished without a major war. Should Liberals and their allies be removed by force? Personally, I don’t think that there is any other way. (I hope I’m wrong — but I don’t think that I am.)

  So I disagree slightly with Ms. Schlussel’s opinion, as she forgets that the primary CAUSE of the new antisemitism in modern Europe is the presence of Islam there. The immediate cause this time around is different from that of WWII. Those Norwegians who support Islamic terrorists do so primarily because of receiving Islamic indoctrination on their own Norwegian soil, owning to the physical presence of Islam in Norway.

• 25 Thrasymachus // Jul 29, 2011 at 5:19 pm   

  “Are we now saying those who stand politically against Israel warrant elimination? “Guilt” worthy of death and “innocence” worthy of life are now going to be established by political philosophy?

  Have mercy.” — Asaph

  No! I certainly do not support Israel unconditionally. There are certain documented cases of abuses against Palestinians. It is necessary that the world clamp down on certain Israeli actions there and force Israel to treat certain groups of hapless Palestinians humanely.

• 26 Pamela K. // Jul 29, 2011 at 6:08 pm   

  “Are we now saying those who stand politically against Israel warrant elimination? “Guilt” worthy of death and “innocence” worthy of life are now going to be established by political philosophy? -Asaph

  Of course not. There is no justification for the crimes committed by Breivik. And there was no justification for Norway’s ambassador to claim that violence against Israelis is due to the “occupation” of their own land!

  Norway Still Blames ‘Occupation” for Terror in Israel

• 27 David Yeagley // Jul 29, 2011 at 6:33 pm   

  Loughner really was a nut, I think. He didn’t have any plan or purpose. No vision, no architecture. Just a lost Jewish kid, drugged out, and did we ever established whether or not Gabby was the intended target?

  Breivik, on the other had, was nothing but purpose, identity, cause, architecture, regardless of any mental affectations in him.

  Asaph, condoning, condemning, justifying, whatever. Terms not relevent.

  The question for you is this: do you think any kind of war is justified this side of the cross? I know that’s the bottom line for you. So, yes or no. No point in discussing anything else.

• 28 David Yeagley // Jul 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm   

  I remember saying to my college girlfriend once, “It comes down to this choice: Do you want to be a free Christian, or a persecuted Christian? If you want to be a free Christian, you have to pay a price.”

  Then there is this question: “Shall you enjoy the privilege of freedom, of being a free Christian, a privilege bought with blood by others, if you yourself are not willing to pay the same price?”

  I’m not entirely sure about what I would do, personally. I can talk, or theorize. I really don’t know what I personally would do.

  I’ve never killed anyone. I know that among Jesus’ desciples was Simon the zealot. A Jewish zealot in 1st century Roman-dominated Palestine (Jewish homeland, or, Israel) was a very daring kind of person. He was a nationalist, and was willing to commit violence to ride the nation of Roman presence.

  Jesus knowingly chose this man. Do you think that was wise PR for His new chaburah?

• 29 David Yeagley // Jul 29, 2011 at 6:58 pm   

  I know Jesus allowed or encouraged no physical violence in defense of Himself or of His “kingdom.” Christians who were persecuted were to simply leave, and go somewhere else.

  These are hard sayings. Who can hear them?

• 30 Sioux // Jul 29, 2011 at 7:08 pm   

  Thras – I respect your comments, but you need to realize that Islam has been joined at the hip with Nazism from the get-go in Europe and the Middle East and North Africa. The Grand Mufti hung out with Adolph. The Nazis that escaped after WW2 have had a field day in the ensuing years to help the muslims become even more radical about the “final solution.”

• 31 Pamela K. // Jul 29, 2011 at 7:37 pm   

  Jesus also chose Judas Iscariot, knowing that he would be the man who would one day betray him for thirty pieces of silver. And he picked Peter, an ambitious young fisherman with a short fuse.
  On the night Jesus was betrayed, Peter raised his sword and cut off the ear of Malchus, servant of the High Priest. His response to the situation was violence. But then, the Lord healed the man Peter had struck and admonished His disciple, saying, “Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?”
  Peter was probably still furious, and yet, astonished as he watched his Master surrender without a struggle and be led away into the night. At that moment, Peter must have realized that everything Jesus had told him and the other disciples about Himself was the truth. He also knew that because he was a follower of Jesus he too was facing betrayal and possibly death. And he ended up denying that he knew Jesus three times.
  Meanwhile, Simon the Zealot, (he added “Zealot” to his last name to distinguish him from Simon Peter, was a revolutionary who felt Jesus should have been a rebel like him and had come to overthrow Rome. He too, was surprised and disappointed, and yet, Jesus changed him from a man of violence into a man of peace.

• 32 Thrasymachus // Jul 29, 2011 at 8:12 pm   

  Thanks, Sioux.

  I simply assumed that the Hitler-Muslim alliance was a temporary thing — a matter of convenience — and something that Hitler was “iffy” and even reluctant about. Sorta like the Non-Agression Pact with Stalin.

  The Islamic worldview is incompatible with freedom — personal or religious. This is something Europe is, let us hope, waking up to at long last.

  The thing is, certain liberal Jews believe that they can form a lasting alliance with Islam. I think that this will prove a dangerous course.

• 33 Asaph // Jul 30, 2011 at 12:19 am   

  Is war justified this side of the cross? From a secular point of view, certainly. From a Christian point of view, I do not believe Christians are to extend the kingdom through force, or self-defense with weaponry. God has hornets and wind and a thousand other things to defeat the enemies of His people, as I stated before.

  I just do not see that Breivik is worthy of anything but contempt.

  Christ chose men from all walks of life for a number of reasons. He did not choose a zealot to leave Him a political zealot, nor a brash fisherman a rumbler, nor the sons of thunder to hurl their bolts the rest of their lives. He called these men to advance His kingdom (not of this world) through love, through truth, through the power of the Spirit, not the sword.

  Breivik sees Islam overtaking Norway. Many in the USA see the same thing someday. Like I said, if it’s war, show me the uniforms, show me the flags, show me the enemy, and tell me where to drop the first nuke. And show me the nations which shall join in on this “war.”

  Afghanistan is a sham, so was Iraq, all due respect to those who died and have been wounded in these conflicts. If Islam is the enemy, in as broad a philosophical sweep as possible, why not wipe out Afghanistan? Just wipe it off the face of the earth. Same every other Muslim nation. Just wipe them out. Is that what you say?

  I say, if Islam is dangerous to freedom, liberty and pursuit of happiness (which it is in its ultra-form) then send all Muslims back to where they came from and close the borders to all Muslims. Fat chance.

  But your suggestion, then, is to lock up or ship off (or worse) all politicians who condone the presence of Islam in America. So, Dave, are you going to fire the first shot in Oklahoma? C’mon. You’re a patriot. Are you going to go after a bunch of kids (and for those who say they were adults think of how you’d feel if it was YOUR 18 year old who got killed) belonging to liberal politicians? And that will do what in America? The same thing it is doing in Norway, nothing but leaving grieving families.

  Good grief, man, Islam must be sitting back looking and marveling at all this. They don’t have to fire a shot. They can just intimidate a nation and it slowly backs down. Look at Cain this week, apologizing in every direction, and he’s supposed to be a Christian conservative patriot!

  Yeah, tell me about this “war” with Islam.

• 34 WHEELER // Jul 30, 2011 at 6:13 am   

  To Asaph, the Bible commands “Defend the widow and the orphan”. That means violence is condoned when their lives, the lives of the weak, are threatened.

  What Breivik did was attack the ruling class’s young adults. He attacked the next generation. They were at that camp getting political indoctrination and he attacked a political target.

  Look Asaph, as when I commented at “What’s Wrong With the World” Blog, by mentioning John Brown. I bet you celebrate John Brown. A lot of Abolitionists did. He massacred slaveowners and pro-slavery people in Kansas. Union Troops marched singing his praises.

  Look at the bombing of the King David Hotel by the Irgun. And those people who are responsible were heros. Menachim Begin became prime minister of Israel.

  In the defense of nation against the genocidal ideology of multiculturalism, some steps are necessary. Breivik thought his back was to the wall. He acted out. Just like Timothy McVeigh did at Oklahoma.

  We are in a war.

• 35 Sioux // Jul 30, 2011 at 6:17 am   

  Pam Geller has done extensive research on the Nazi-Muslim alliance and has amazing photos on her website “Atlas Shrugged” – It is amazing how the Lefties can cross all barriers (religion, culture, language) in a unified front to take over the world. Even if it means the destruction of Israel, the Leftist Israelis keep pushing for 100% unacceptable capitulation to their enemies. I worry much more about that phenomenon than the Arab world attacking Israel. The real enemy is within, and we in America need to face up to that. The Homeland Security cretins are ramping it up to come after the Patriots – what will we do indeed when it’s in our face and inescapable???

• 36 Pamela K. // Jul 30, 2011 at 8:22 am   

  Thras,
  You are right when you say that Israel has come against the Arabs unprovoked at certain times. There have been incidents of terrorism committed against Arabs by Jewish extremists. The late Rabbi Meir Kahane, leader of the anti-Arab Kach party, had a tremendous influence over many young Israelis, even after his death. In February, 1994 a member of the Kach party attacked the al-Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron, killing thirty four people.
  But then there was the controversy that erupted back in 1982 when Israel was engaged in the war in Lebanon and refused to assist and protect Arabs being slaughtered by the Christian Lebanese Phalangists militia in the refugee camps at Sabra and Shatila.
  Under the command of Ariel Sharon,
  Israeli forces were accused of “enabling” the entrance of the Phalangists to the refugee camps, and said to have provided them transportation from outside Beirut as well as firing illuminating flares over the camps.
  Sharon later caught hell for his decision not to allow his troops to interfere and stop the massacre, however, if you look at it from a military point of view, the Israelis were in country to fight the PLO and help rid their presence from southern Lebanon. Israel’s mission was not a humanitarian one, but about securing the survival of their nation against those who were bent on destroying them. Furthermore, those refugee camps were deliberately left unprotected, not only by the United Nations, but also by their own Arab “freedom fighting” brethren, who actually had more blood on their hands that day than the angry phalangists. Both the PLO and now, Hamas, have never had any problem using the innocent, especially their women and children as human shields in conflicts with Israel.
  Was Israeli even responsible for this slaughter? The world seemed to think so at the time, and Sharon was accused of war crimes against humanity. But was he really guilty of a crime by refusing to protect these people, or did he first and foremost have a bigger responsibility to protect the lives of the soldiers under his command?
  Most of the modern battles fought against Israel were and have been instigated by the Arabs. As I write this, the Arabs hostile to the existence of Israel have the nation literally surrounded and are homing in on the biblically significant lands of Judea and Samaria, as well as the proverbial Jewel in the Crown, Jerusalem. And what’s worse, they have a friend in the White House, who, by the very words of his mouth, has aligned himself with their cause to wipe Israel off the face of the earth!

  We are about to see the words of Psalm 83 come alive!

  ” God has hornets and wind and a thousand other things to defeat the enemies of His people, as I stated before.” – Asaph

  How true!

  When they come against Israel in battle, they are coming against God Himself.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNXwhv8Mooo

• 37 WHEELER // Jul 30, 2011 at 9:16 am   

  Breivik, in his manifesto I have learned, has copied word for word William Lind’s analysis of Political Correctness.

  Here is a video documenting the history of Political Correctness
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236

  The Political Correctness in this country was started by what is called the Frankfurt School, or the Institute of Social Research. These institutes are peppered throughout America. One is at Stanford University and another is at University of Michigan Ann Arbor.

  The mission is to destroy Western Culture. As Hillaire Belloc has said, “The Faith is Europe and Europe is the Faith”, he is not joking. Christianity is an European religion. The Frankfurt School was made up of Jews. The idea of the Frankfurt School is to translate Marxism, which is Jewish ideology, from economics into culture. On the video, the professor says the idea is to Destroy.

  All liberals subscribe consciously or unconsciously to this position. The Liberal party of Norway and liberal parties in Europe and the Democratic party in America all subscribe to the ideology of the Frankfurt School.

  It is about destroying Europe. It is about destroying Europeans so that Christianity shall be destroyed. They are succeeding.

• 38 Pamela K. // Jul 30, 2011 at 9:39 am   

  On the contrary, Christianity is a Jewish religion. Yeshua, or Jesus, was Jewish. The early Church was centered in Jerusalem. It was only after Jewish missionaries, like Paul, brought the message of the gospel further West and the Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity for himself and the Roman Empire did the rest of Europe eventually follow after him and become Christian.
  Although many Jews are Marxists, it is not a Jewish ideology. Many Gentiles are Marxist too. Marxism came from the ideas of a man, Karl Marx. He might have been Jewish but he was also an atheist. There are many Jews today, especially in the realm of politics, who are liberal and who support ideas similar to Marxism, even in Israel Ditto for many Gentiles.
  To single out and “blame all the Jews” for Europe’s economic and political problems is stoking the fire of antisemitism across the continent. Violent acts against innocent people, who just happen to be Jewish, are on the increase these days.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7VsJY4DsfI

• 39 Asaph // Jul 30, 2011 at 10:29 am   

  “On the contrary, Christianity is a Jewish religion. Yeshua, or Jesus, was Jewish.”

  Hard to believe people still miss that fact.

  Wheeler, whose life was threatened in Norway? Everyone is making conclusions on the basis of how they see “the bigger picture.” No one’s life is threatened, in fact, in Norway. It’s supposition. The only lives threatened, and taken, were those Breivik took, because of his supposition.

  Nations which are taking a stand against burkas, will eventually take a stand against Islam as it starts to show its true colors, which I believe it will in western nations. Right now it’s few radicals mouthing off and liberals too blind to see what is happening. The colors of Islam will yet stand out for all to see in every land. I believe it already IS seen. Leaders are just trying to figure out how to deal with it. There ARE a billion plus Muslims to deal with, after all.

  But to compare Scriptural instruction to defend the widow and orphan with what Breivik did is quite absurd. There is no parallel, save in the mind of those who would twist Scripture to suit a fanciful political agenda.

• 40 WHEELER // Jul 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm   

  Pamela K and Asaph.

  WRONG!

  This is what Jesus Christ said: Matthew, Ch. 21
  [quote]“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.”[/quote]

  It is quite clear, Jesus Christ is of course Jewish, but the religion is Greek. I refer you to Jerry Dell Ehrlich, Ph.D., and his book [italics]Plato’s Gift to Christianity[/italics]. The immortality of the soul, heaven and hell, the Trinity, that Christ is both God and Man are Greek concepts, not Jewish. Christianity has of course grown out of Judiasm, and retains several features, but the core concepts, and major theology is Greek. Christ said himself, The Faith will be taken away from YOU and given to another race. St. Paul was a Hellenized Jew.

  Pamela K., the teacher of Karl Marx was Moses Hess. He was a rabbi. Marx is thoroughly in line with Jewish thought of Tikkun Olam.

• 41 WHEELER // Jul 30, 2011 at 3:26 pm   

  Pamela and Asaph:

  Messianism envisions human existence as a three-part process, consisting of an original unity, a middle period in which man has “fallen” into history, and an eschatological final period. Messianism sees history as destined for the restoration of the original unity broken by the sin of Adam. The Jewish discontent with the present is rooted in the feeling of loss of this original harmony and the deep desire for its return. Jewish messianism understands the restoration of the original unity as a public, communal event which occurs on the stage of history. It is here that Jewish and Christian messianism have parted company. FROM: The Jewish Ethic and the Spirit of Socialism pg 118

  As you can see Jewish messianism is about rebuilding the Tower of Babel by ending race. It is about ending race Jewish ideology is about ending race. This is what is behind Political Correctness developed by the Frankfurt School. To be anti-racist is to attack and deconstruct race. Every Jew that does alliyah, return to Israel, takes classes and they learn about “Tikun Olam” which is fixing the world. Well, the Jews are fixing the world by ending race. This is clear and undisputable. Political Correctness is a genocidal ideology! Adam Weisphat, a Jew, as early as c 1830 declared ‘Princes and Nations shall disappear from off the face of the earth!’

  All internationalists engage in genocide because they want to kill off race. This is the Liberal Agenda. The Liberal Party of Norway is part and parcel of the Socialist Internationale. It is about ending race. Their political platform is genocide, ending race. In the paper today, a Norwegian politician said, they will continue on their path of anti-racism.

  Communism is known by its old name “International Socialism”. International socialism is about making One World without race. In order to accomplish this, political correctness has been developed and deployed to carry this out. International Socialism is a Jewish construct.

• 42 Pamela K. // Jul 30, 2011 at 4:47 pm   

  The Messianic Movement is about bringing the Jewish people back into their Church. In Matthew 21: 43, the Lord was directing His comments to the listening Pharisees.
  “And I tell you for this reason the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people who will produce the fruits of it.”
  Jesus knew the Pharisees were plotting to kill him. That is why, prior to His statement, he had told the parable of the man who had planted the vineyard and rented it out to tenants. When the harvest season came he sent his servants to the tenants to get his share of the fruit and the tenants beat and killed the man’s servants ( whom represent the prophets who came before Jesus and were persecuted and killed as heretics). The man sent more servants (like John the Baptist) and they treated them the same way. Then the man decided to send his only son to collect his share of the fruit, believing that the tenants would respect and give heed to his son. But when the tenants saw the man’s son, they said, “This is the heir; come on, let us kill him and have his inheritance.” Of course, the man who rented out his vineyard represents God and the son is Jesus.
  The Jews rejected Jesus and cursed themselves, “may His blood be on us and our children”. But Jesus, in his mercy, while hanging on the Cross, forgave the Jews and all who crucified Him, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.”
  When the Church moved West to Rome, Constantine sought to remove any and all Jewish influence from it. He hated the Jews because of their rebellion against Rome. And the Church leaders were more than willing to follow Constantine’s lead of persecuting the Jews in order to avoid being persecuted themselves.
  The antisemitism which began in the early Christian Church can be best summed up in the words of the Roman Emperor himself, when he addressed the Council of Nicea, saying, “Let us therefore have nothing in common with this odious people, the Jews, for we have received from our Savior a different way…Strive and pray continuously that the purity of your souls may not be sullied by fellowship with the customs of these most wicked men…All should unite in desiring that which sound reason appears to demand in avoiding all participation in the perjured conduct of the Jews.”
  Constantine’s fear and hatred of the Jewish people grew along with the Church across Europe and for the next nineteen hundred years, culminating in the horror that became known as the Holocaust.

• 43 R. May // Jul 30, 2011 at 6:25 pm   

  An excellent analogy about the referee. Lots of interesting posts on this subject over at Ex-Army:
  http://ex-army.blogspot.com/

• 44 David Yeagley // Jul 30, 2011 at 8:55 pm   

  I am not far behind this conversation, having read all the comments, nonetheless.

  Killing is horrible. War is a curse. But, war happens down here. Has nothing to do with uniforms, boundaries, or dignity anymore. Islam has destroyed all those conventions.

  To war against an unconventional enemy, you have to be twice as ruthless, or you lose.

  Asaph, again, Do you believe any kind of war is justified, this side of the cross?

• 45 David Yeagley // Jul 30, 2011 at 9:03 pm   

  We have to have this one for the record:

  A Brief Breivik Profile
  ADAM GELLER – AP National Writer

  However, as I have said, I don’t think any of this biographical background has much or anything to do with the significance of his act of war. My whole reason for even doing blogs on Breivik is to try and grasp the fact that the act is more than the sum of its parts. The act has its own significance, regardless of the mental or psychological state of the man.

  I do believe it was an act of war, not of “insanity.” If Breivik was “insane,” it would not diminish the significance of the act of war. This, of course, is why the liberal media is focused in on the personality, the individual, the mind. The media won’t dare touch the matter of war. Islam is innocent of war, according to liberals–who always seek to justify Islam, not white boys with vision of self-defense.

• 46 Asaph // Jul 31, 2011 at 7:32 am   

  David, “any” kind of war is open ended. What does that mean? Is the Geneva convention to be thrown away? So, by this rationale, troops should march into Detroit and take out Muslims there, because we are “at war?” If such a philosophy has merit, so does the bombing of abortion clinics, murdering of doctors performing abortions, and let us begin throwing bombs at porn palaces and XXX rated book stores, for all these things, and far more, are at war with the kingdom of God. “Warriors” should bomb CNN. May as well. They are at “war” with conservatives and traditional American values, etc.

  No, David, I do not believe “any” kind of “war” is justifiable down here. Breivik did not start a war. His actions were his own, not part of any nation or known power, other than evil and Satan.

  Wheeler. Actually, the things you describe coming from the influence of Greek philosophy into the church is the historical premise for the great falling away and apostasy in Christianity which formulated into the Roman Catholic Church. The daughters of this fornicating mother, Protestant churches still following mother’s doctrines, make up another third of prophetic Babylon. The final third, other false religions and the kings of the earth.

  A remnant, which keeps the commandments of God and faith of Jesus, shall stand opposed to the majority influenced and controlled by paganism or politics.

• 47 Asaph // Jul 31, 2011 at 7:39 am   

  And using Islam as the backdrop for principle and policy in “war” is no different than Christians using Satan and hosts of evil angels for principle and policy in extending the kingdom of God. BUT, that is what Islam is already doing. Should we copy them?

  The entire premise is ludicrous, but there is no other position that can be taken, if Breivik becomes the poster boy for “war.”

• 48 Thrasymachus // Jul 31, 2011 at 12:31 pm   

  “As you can see Jewish messianism is about rebuilding the Tower of Babel by ending race. It is about ending race Jewish ideology is about ending race.” — Wheeler

  This is how I see it as well.

  Christeachesse that His Kingdom is NOT of this world. There will be a New Heaven and a New Earth. There will be no marriages, etc.

  As long as this world age lasts, RACE will remain a reality to be dealt with. This is my quarrel with liberal Jews. Keeping the races pure is anathema to liberal Jews. They hate any kind of nationalism except Israeli nationalism. This double standard — Jews can be nationalists, Gentile cannot — is the root cause of antisemitism in this world.

  My prayer for Jews is that they accept Christ and His gospel. Otherwise, they will be, unwittingly, assisting the Opposition (to Christ). The Raceless Utopia ideal is the program that the Man of Sin will champion. This is why everything is moving in the direction the Liberals desire. The stage is being set for the final Act. Racism will be the greatest “sin” — and the Churches will be the biggest anti-racist organizations in existence. The whole world — except the Elect — will be deceived by the ideal antin anit-racist Utopia — i.e., Liberalism come to world power.

  As I understand the Bible, the destruction of race and nation is the strategy of the devil, and today, sadly, the Christian churches are drunk on this false doctrine that “racism is sin.”

• 49 WHEELER // Jul 31, 2011 at 12:43 pm   

  Pamela,

  The word “messianism”, as being used by us, has different contexts and meanings. I understand the Jewish messianism within Protestant Christianity but that meaning of “messianism” is not the historical meaning of messianism of the Jews. The Jews have always looked for an earthly messiah, a kingdom of this world. Since the advent of the kabbala, Jewish messianism, on top of advocating an earthly kingdom and leader, also advocates the destruction of race, the destruction of racial divides, in order to bring about world unity, the ending of anti-semitism, and that it is their perogative to rule the world under their messiah.

  Two totally different meanings.

  Upon the seizure of power in Germany, Adolf Hitler imprisoned Jews and Freemasons. The whole proof of the reason for the antagonism towards the Jews is the jailing of the Freemasons at the same time. Why did Hitler jail the Freemasons, them being full-blooded Germans? Why Pamela? Why?

  If you read Mein Kampf, he tells you right there. For the Freemasons, like the Jews, were Internationalists. Internationalists are about deconstructing race. It is about de-racination. Karl Marx ended his manifesto with the words “All the workers of the world unite”.

  True, Hitler was suppressing the Jews in Germany due to racial concerns, but that was NOT the reason of the Holocaust. The Holocaust did not start until 1942. The only reason of the Holocaust was revenge pure and simple. Hitler said himself, that “”"”IF”"”" the Jews caused a second World War, he was going to take them out. Hitler was making them move out of Germany, even paying to ship them to Palestine, but not killing them. Only when Britain, under the leadership of the Jew, Winston Churchill, (his mother was Jewish), came into the war did the Final Solution occur. It had Nothing, Nothing to do with race, but with the advent of another war.

  Winston Churchill was a Fabian socialist. Fabian socialists are just another facet of International socialism. Franklin Roosevelt is another Jew and he was also a International Socialist. The politicians of Russia, Britain, and America were all internationalist. Bernard Baruch counseled Franklin Roosevelt. It was a coalition of Internationalists. This is what Hitler feared. Hitler wanted to expand East, Not West. He did not want war with France or Britain. (q.v. the flight of Hess to England.) But when France and Britain entered and Hess’s mission failed, then the Final Solution was launched as revenge. Do not be fooled. (The Hess mission failed for a lot of reasons. The British Aristocracy was heavily infiltrated by Jews. The British saw themselves as Jews. q.v. “British Israelitism”. London is the financial powerhouse and seats of several Jewish banking houses. So Hitler failed right off the get go.)

  Hitler was a socialist, an utopian thinker, but he was very aware of the de-racination campaign of communism then raging in the Weimar Republic. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Kautsky both communists, both communist intellectuals, one in Germany in the Weimar and one in Austria, both Jews, both wrote books calling nations into question. Both advocated the ending of Nations and Race.

  The threat is real. This is part and parcel of Jewish style Jewish messianism. It is at their core of fixing the world by ending race.

  God created race. God in Genesis specifically condemned the Tower of Babel as evil. God put things in place like the two natural laws of “sense of belonging” and “racial prejudice” and creating different languages in order to preserve tribes, races and nations at the Tower of Babel. Internationalism and Globalization is about recreating the Tower of Babel. Freemasonry is about recreating the Tower of Babel.

  Not on my watch. We have to be obedient to God and fight against de-racination.

• 50 Thrasymachus // Jul 31, 2011 at 12:44 pm   

  “The immortality of the soul (etc.) . . . are Greek concepts, not Jewish.” — WHEELER

  Yes, but I do not see the teaching of the immortality of the soul anywhere in Scripture! Jesus teaches that those who believe in Him will have eternal life. The Bible nowhere states that Man comes into this world with an immortal soul. You cannot find the phrase “the immortality of the soul” in the Scriptures — at least not that I know of. What we do know, according to Karl Jung, is that the Unconscious believes itself to be imbued with immortality — to be eternal and deathless.

  Quite a number of pagan doctrines made their way into Christianity AFTER the New Testament was written. We need to beware of these.

• 51 WHEELER // Jul 31, 2011 at 1:03 pm   

  As to Asaph,

  We are put in the world and one of the Laws of Nature is “Life is War”. You kill to eat. Almost everything we eat, must be first killed. To eat lettuce, one must kill the leave by separating it from the stem! And there is a paradox here. In order to live, one must kill to survive. In order to do much in our lives, we had to kill animals for leather. Without leather, much of our civilizations could not have existed! We could not survive without it. Even though the Amish are pacifists, they could not plow and work their fields without the leather harnesses.

  It is sad to see death, but sometimes it is a necessity. the world operates on Wisdom. The gospel is an ideal that must be tempered with the Logos of the Laws of Nature. Yes, the gospel is important but it is not overriding. Jesus Christ, as St. John points out is the Logos. Jesus Christ is not only the walking talking Old Testament, but he is the New Testament AND the Laws of Nature.

  Yes, we must turn the other cheek, and love our enemies, but in the Greek, ‘neighbor’ means your kinsmen. If someone seeks your existential death, God is not in heaven and the Gospel certainly DOES NOT teach to turn the other cheek. If you study the Old Testament about Samson, you can read how the Spirit of God descended upon Samson to cause a war between the Hebrews and the Philistines! In the Masoretic Text, it says “God is a Man of War”. God in the Old Testament is the Hebrew God of War. The phrase “Lord God of Hosts” is a military war phrase. God is the Head of the Army. “Hosts” being the Army!

  God is many things. The Old Testament states that God is a Man of War. In the New, God is Love. God is BOTH of these things.

  The Gospel pertains most exclusively to WITHIN a nationalist ethnic community. The Gospel is not part of the Law of Nations nor part of reality. Christians are to give quarter to the enemy and to just surrender terms, and treat the enemy humanely, but we are not supposed to go and lose our civilization and our religion without fighting for survival.

  The Gospel does not go against Wisdom, Asaph. You’re an idealist, but not a realist. As Kojak said in one of his episodes “Sometimes cruelty is a kindness”. That is a Truth that is hard to understand. The War of the Battle of Lepanto and of Vienna, saved Europe from the ravages of Islam. That is necessary. When the existence of your people is threatened, one must do his duty. That is a moral truth. And Asaph, your position is immoral. Pacifism is immoral. Jesus said, “It is time that Christians, after my death, must carry the sword”. We don’t use the sword in evangelism. We only use the sword to PROTECT and Hold. That is Christian.

• 52 Asaph // Jul 31, 2011 at 1:59 pm   

  Jesus said, “It is time that Christians, after my death, must carry the sword”.

  He did not state that.

  So, because no one here can state how we are at war with “Islam,” the territories involved, the flags, the nations, the uniforms, the articles of “war” to be maintained – I am “immoral?”

  Then Wheeler, wherever you live, head on down to the nearest Muslim neighborhood and start blowing people away. I’ll write you in prison.

• 53 Asaph // Jul 31, 2011 at 2:01 pm   

  Nowhere in the Bible am I aware that God established nations or races at the tower of Babel. He confused the languages to terrify and scatter the people. Men began their own nations, and natural genetic modifications created “races.”

• 54 Asaph // Jul 31, 2011 at 2:05 pm   

  Christ is not the laws of nature. That is basic Pantheism. Christ CREATED the laws of nature. Big difference. He is above those laws and can operate above those laws anytime He chooses – has (raising the dead) and will in miracle working power at the end of time such as mankind has not seen.

  Wheeler, I fail to see your points as anything more than a perversion of the gospel, and dangerous in ultimate intent, possibly beyond what you realize if taken to logical conclusion.

• 55 WHEELER // Jul 31, 2011 at 2:10 pm   

  “Quite a number of pagan doctrines made their way into Christianity AFTER the New Testament was written. We need to beware of these.” — Thrasymachus

  I want to point to the word “pagan”. Thrasymachus, please replace the word “pagan” with the word “European”.

  To Pamela, this is why the Church is anti-semitic. This is why the Church in its ecumenical councils condemned “Judaizing”.

  Do you all understand the concept of “NEW COVENANT”? What does a “NEW” covenant entail? As I quoted earlier the quote of Jesus about taking the Faith away from the Jews, Jesus is establishing a NEW covenant. A NEW covenant entails a complete rewrite, new language, new culture, new ideas, something different.

  You all really have no grasp of what Christianity is. Christianity is enveloped in a totally NEW culture. The early Christians outside of Jerusalem DID NOT speak Hebrew! The language of early Christianity is Greek and the book they used to evangelize with was the Septuagint. 64% of the quotations of the OLD Testament is from the Septuagint. The Masoretic Text was not even done at the time of the writing of the New Testament! (except maybe John’s letters)

  The Liturgical language of Rome for the first 400 years was Greek, not Latin.

  The Kabbala teaches the importance of Primitivism. This teaching of the Kabbala influenced the Renaissance and the Enlightenment and it influenced the reformers. The Protestant revolution was about returning to a supposedly “primitive” and “pure” Christianity! And in that they “judaized” Christianity. So as Thrasymachus says “…quite a number of “”"pagan”"”" doctrines entered the church”!

  Christianity is a Greek/European religion—It is NOT supposed to be Jewish! Christianity is the butterfly to the Jewish catepillar.

  The science of the “soul” and what it is, is of only the Greeks. Rationally and scientifically, they came to the knowledge that all living things have soul. Before Christ, all men had immortal souls for God “breathed” into Adam. Into the clay figure of Adam, God breathed. That is the ‘soul’. And since it is directly from God it is immortal. (Jesus is alluding to the effect heaven and hell. A soul in hell is not truly alive. Only a soul in heaven is alive. Truly.)

  All those “pagan” practices you label, such as the Christmas tree, and easter eggs are really “European customs”. Christianity is SUPPOSED to incorporate European customs because Christianity is a European religion. When you label something as “pagan doctrine” you are Judaizing the Faith. You are undermining it. What the Holy Spirit is doing, is taking once ‘pagan’ customs and practices and giving them a focus of Christ. They are being transformed whereby Christmas and its practices today perfectly encapsulate Christianity and Christian reality and teaching. With a NEW coventant comes new customs, new practices. When the Puritans emerged they attacked Christmas as “pagan”. Puritans were Judaizers. The Protestant religion with its ‘sola scriptura’ basis is a judaic practice. Primitivism is not of the Holy Spirit.

  Jesus Christ specifically picked Paul to evangelize. Paul was a Hellenized Jew. He spoke Greek and knew Greek philosophy. If Christianity is supposed to be Jewish, then Jesus would not have picked Paul. Paul is a mixture, he is a transformer. Paul is the transmission of Christianity. He is that seed that launched Christianity from its old roots to a new shoot.

  Plato is really the metaphysical founder of Christianity. Christianity is not based on ‘sola scriptura’. Christianity is based on Holy Tradition which includes scripture, Divine Revelation but also Greek philosophy which includes within itself the Logos of the Natural Order.

  St. Peter said, “Supplement the Faith with Arete”. ‘Arete’ is a Greek term. Not Hebrew. The German Classicist Werner Jaeger elucidates that ‘arete’ is the defining characteristic of Greek culture. ‘Arete’ has several meanings, and one of those meanings is ‘culture’. It is the driving force of Greek culture. The Faith can not be separated from Hellenism, or it dies. That is why the Holy Spirit, enlightening the councils, drove the point that judaizing is wrong for Christians. This is why essentially, Christianity is anti-semitic. Jews can be Christians but Christianity is European and the Jews have to accept that without changing it. The Jews can keep their culture and remain Christians but they are not to disturb European Christians or divide Christianity and cause disruptions by their teaching of ‘paganness’ to Christian teaching, customs and traditions.

• 56 WHEELER // Jul 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm   

  I agree Asaph, that Jesus Christ created the Laws of Nature. I don’t subscribe to Pantheism but then Christ could NOT have created the Laws of Nature unless he at the same time he incorporated those Laws of Nature within him. Jesus Christ is the Golden Mean. God is also the Golden Mean. God incorporates the whole of the Laws of Nature.

  The Greeks called creation, the “cosmos”. “Cosmos” means “Ordered Beauty”. So the Laws of Nature include the Laws of Order and the Laws of Beauty. Since God is total Beauty, He incorporates the Laws of Beauty. He also incorporates within Himself the Laws of Order. And he made the whole cosmos thru his son who is the Logos.

  The word “logos” is a Greek term, non-Hebraic. St. John specifically calls Jesus, “The Logos”. The Word made Flesh.

  One part of the Laws of Nature, is that all things have Limits. To bring all men into One thing is to make the human race without Limits. Race, ethnicity, tribe, clan, are all LIMITS to mankind. Race, ethnicity, tribe, clan are put there by God because God himself is a follower of the Laws of Nature. The Laws of Nature, limit, proportion, harmony, etc., are the rules of perfection. The Laws of Nature are metaphysical, they are NOT the laws of gravity or physics or thermodynamics! Again, you don’t know the meaning of “logos”. God can suspend the laws of physics, he can not suspend the laws of nature. For God is the Laws of Nature.

  Asaph, does not Gender exist in Heaven? Is not the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mary as a woman in heaven? If you keep on reminding us that Jesus is Jewish, is not Jesus as Jewish in Heaven? As gender continues to exist in Heaven, so does Race exist in Heaven. I am a Greek here on this earth and when I fall asleep in the Lord, die, I will be a Greek male, in Heaven. My race and gender do not die. Race and Gender is part of the Soul. The Soul is immortal. The characteristics of the soul will always be there, even in Heaven (though without original sin and its defects.)

• 57 Thrasymachus // Jul 31, 2011 at 2:38 pm   

  I want to point to the word “pagan”. Thrasymachus, please replace the word “pagan” with the word “European”. — Wheeler

  I had Greek Philosophy and (to a lesser extent) Norse mythology in mind.

  No, the Protestant Reformers did not go back to original Christianity. Both Luther and Calvin were disciples of Augustin and were stuck on his teaching. Personally, I prefer the teaching of Jesus Himself.

  Race and Nation are ordained of God. It is going against Natural Law forcibly to mix together what God has set apart. Miscegenation is God’s judgment on a nation that practices sin. When “mainstream” and the norm, It is a clear sign that God is sending that nation to destruction: “The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God.” — Psalm 9:17

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