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Jews, Women, and Genocide

by David Yeagley · July 19, 2010 · 53 Comments ·

The Jews committed the first genocide.

Of course, when we think of the Jews, we immediately think of the Holocaust of World War II, and the Nazi campaign to eliminate the Jewish population. But, the fact is, there was a time when Jews eliminated others.

In written history, (if the Hebrew scriptures are to be accounted as history), the first recorded case of one group eliminated another group is found in Genesis 34. Two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, slaughtered all the males of a Hivite town in central Cana’an. Call it an ‘honor’ kiling. The war lord of the city had defiled their sister, and they planned and executed the genocide of the whole city. (Their father Jacob was most displease with this action. “Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land,” he complained.) This was some time in the 20th century BC.

Earlier in that same century, Abraham had twice manipulated his political circumstances through the beauty of his wife Sarah (Gen. 12:11; 20:2). These were crises, certainly, but the beauty of Jewish women was becoming an established commodity. In fact, Abraham’s son, Isaac, played the same card with his wife Rebekah (Gen.26:7).

But the reputation of the Jewish God was the real knock-out. The God of this small family was the One apparently known to be the One who claimed to have destroyed the entire human population (save eight) by the Flood. This was not a God most people were anxious to warm up to. Nor were they particularly fond of anyone who claimed to be. This is the God that set a nuclear holocaust on two of the largest, most prosperous cities in Cana’an–Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:24,25). And so it seems that the Jewish God had a name for holocaust Himself. Mass genocide was His ultimatum.

And so, before the Jews even get started as a people, their name “stunk.” Their God “stunk.” Their God was violent, and they were violent. (But they had beautiful women!)

And when they did grow into a people, their debut as a nation was marked by astounding disaster and cataclysm. We call it the plagues of Egypt. Mass destruction followed the Jews.

The point here is that, in the view of the non-believer, the non-Jew, or, the heathen, the Jews were a dreaded lot. To encounter them was an ominous risk. It could men unsustainable loss. It could mean annihilation.

The Hebrew God was definitely into genocide, the elimination of masses of people–men, women, children, and even animals. Near the beginning of the 10th century BC, King Saul was commaned to commit such a genocide against the Amalekites (I Samuel 15:3). And this was for what the Amalekites did to the Jews three and a half centuries before! It may have seemed arbitrary to everyone then, but, the Jewish God never forgets, no matter how much time passes. Il grand Siciliano can forgive, but He never forgets.

Yes, and this dreadful, fearful God nevertheless invites all people to come before Him and worship! He wants to be good to people. He wants them to follow His ways. Whatever reputation He created through the Jews, He also made it clear that His throne pertains to all nations (Isaiah 56:6,7). It behooves all ethnicities abroad to come and make their case before the God of the Jews.

So, how do we do that with this ghastly image of Jewish people, and the “death and hell” that follows them? There are some real characters out there we have to deal with, like George Soros, the Rothchilds, even skunks like Bernie Madoff. Why entertain any regard for them or their God? (Never mind their fair women, for the moment.) And what about those pestilential, parasitical monoliths like the Amercian Civil Liberites Union, and the Anti-Defemation League? I’m not sure what these organizations think the source of aversion to Jews is, but, I suggest they might try looking at the Bible. If they want to ban something from public consumption, they’ll have to ban the Bible. The most articulate, anti-Semitic utterances ever made, from the mouth of the heathen, anyway, are in the Bible. Try Ezra 4, when they wrote the Persian emperor in the 5th century BC, after the Jews had returned from Babylon, and had begun to rebuild (4:12,13;15,16):

Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

Be it known now unto the king, that, if this city be builded, and the walls set up again, then will they not pay toll, tribute, and custom, and so thou shalt endamage the revenue of the kings.

…search may be made in the book of the records of thy fathers: so shalt thou find in the book of the records, and know that this city is a rebellious city, and hurtful unto kings and provinces, and that they have moved sedition within the same of old time: for which cause was this city destroyed.

We certify the king that, if this city be builded again, and the walls thereof set up, by this means thou shalt have no portion on this side the river.

No question about the Gentile attitude toward Jews in that testimony, is there? Just remember, it’s recorded in the Hebrew scriptures.

The Jews live with complete aversion, always. That seems to be the price of their God. Yet, they prosper. That’s one of the benefits. “The Lord was with Jacob.” “The Lord was with Joseph.” The Lord is doing something in the world, His way, in His time. We’ll just have to live with that. If an occasional Jews becomes piquantly annoying, like Bernard Lewis, who is denying the Christian Armenian “holocaust” in his defence of Muslim Turkey; or if an organization like the ACLU, or the ADL, work perpetually to remove Christianity from a nation which was founded by Christians; or even if we personally get shafted or swindled, or otherwise out-smarted by a Jewish person; in the end, what’s the difference? If the Jewish God is indeed the Lord, and hold the keys to eternity, and, moreover, invites each and every human being to become acquainted with Him, and thus to prepare for an everlasting shalom, what does matter if we have continual run-ins with the Jews here and now?

Though the liberal Jews have sought desperately to change the Jewish image (with a couple of millennia to support their bid), the fact is, the Jewish people are not pacifists. The Jews are a warrior race. Even todays Jews, who tend to use their pens rather than their swords, are the still the decendents of profound aggressors. The Jews are always making a move in the world.

This is the Jew of the Bible. This is the God of the Bible. Now, there cousins, the Arabs, and their make-believe, rip-off religion, think to compete with the Jews; but they will never succeed. The rest of the races in the world can only watch the conflict. In a way, we can choose sides. Yes, we can even support one or the other.

Personally, I chose the Jews. I chose the Jewish God. No, I’m not Jewish. But, I regard Jesus, the Jewish folk rabbi, as the Speaker of the House, so to “speak.” I consider His efforts a personal invitation to join the ranks of the Israel of God. Jesus is for Gentiles, in a way. If we have any portion in the Lord, it is by His bloody provision. The invitation has always been from the God of all nations, but, our place at the table was bought with a very, very high price. Why refuse? The food is tops.

In the meantime, we are behooved to abide with the Jews here and now. They are here. They cannot be removed. There are those who have tried to remove them, and those maniacs end in ineffable infamy. Not the right take on the Jews.

And finally, there’s that crazy matter of Jewish women. What happened there at the end of Job’s life, that story of incomprehensible irony, frustration, and anger? (Job 42:15.) He was given a second family. And this one apparently beat the other one. The chief distinction?

And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.

So, I guess that’s it. Beautiful women. Our only recess in this whirlwind of agonies down here on earth. Whatever it is, however superficial it is, and whatever tortures of its own that come with it, the beauty of a woman is apparently some necessary and healthy diversion, to say the least.

It’s been part of the Jewish story from the very beginning. Beautiful women, and violence. Personal love, and mass holocaust. Is this some mystical balance? Are these things in any way related? Who knows?

The next time you see a beautiful Jewish woman, just think about the Bible. Think about the God. And be cool about Jewish people.

Posted by David Yeagley · July 19, 2010 · 3:43 pm CT · ·

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  • 1 Pamela K. // Jul 19, 2010 at 4:49 pm   

    “Charm and grace are deceptive, and (physical) beauty is not lasting, but a woman who reverently and worshipfully fears the Lord, she shall be praised!” Proverbs 31:29

    “A capable, intelligent, and virtuous woman, who is he who can find her? She is far more precious than jewels and her value is far above the rubies or pearls.” Proverbs 31:10

    Who is God’s ideal Jewish woman? She is Miriam, the one who led the nation’s women in praise to God (Exodus 15:20, 21) She is Deborah, the patriotic military advisor (Judges 4:4-10) Ruth, the woman of steadfast devotion;(Ruth 1:16); Hannah the ideal mother (ISamuel 1:20 2:19) Queen Esther, who risked sacrificing her life for her people (Esther 4:16)
    The common beauty shared by all of these Jewish women is their spiritual and practical devotion to God, which permeated every area and relationship of their lives.
    “She tastes and sees that her gain from work with, and for God is good; her lamp goes not out, but burns on continually through the night of trouble, privation, or sorrow, warning away fear, doubt, and distrust.” Proverbs 31:18

  • 2 Pamela K. // Jul 19, 2010 at 7:52 pm   

    A real Jew is anyone whose heart is right with God. The Prophet Isaiah addressed the issue of Jews who, like George Soros and Rahm Emmanuel, seem to be Jewish for appearances sake.
    “The facts are that you fast only for strife and debate and to smite with the fist of wickedness. Fasting as you do today will not cause your voice to be heard on high.
    Is such a fast as yours what I have chosen, a day for a man to humble himself with sorrow in his soul? Is true fasting merely mechanical? Is it only to bow down his head like a bulrush and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him to indicate a condition of the heart that he does not have (true repentance)? Will you call this a fast and an acceptable day to the Lord?”
    Isaiah 58: 4-5

  • 3 David Yeagley // Jul 19, 2010 at 9:20 pm   

    God’s kind of woman. Hmmm. Ideal Jewish woman. I’m sure she’s way too much for me!

    You know, the interesting thing here is Jewish killing. It’s so much more intelligent. The city genocide of Simeon and Levi (which they clearly plotted carefully) wasn’t about greed, or survival. It was about “justice.” (Anger, really. Indignationl.) In a way, something had to be done.

    Evolutionists, who like to think of man as an animal, say killing is natural, as in the wild.

    But not for the Jew. It has personal significance. Everything is about personal significance. This is “morality.” So much deeper than animal life. In God’s way, wrong motives, themselves, are condemned.

    The ethical challenges of scripture, for the God-fearing person, are bewildering and awesome.

  • 4 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 3:51 am   

    In the Bible exchange between God and Abraham, the latter asked the Lord, “Will you destroy the righteous together with the wicked?Suppose there are in the city ( Sodom and Gemorrah) fifty righteous; will you destroy the place and not spare it for the sake of the fifty righteous in it?”
    Abraham question God’s motives. “Shall not the judge of the earth execute judgement and do righteously?”
    God’s response was that if there were fifty righteous among the people of these two cities he would spare them from His wrath.
    However, there were no righteous in Sodom or Gemmorah. Genesis Chapter 18:20 tells us that “Because of the shriek (to cry out sharply, shrill laughter) of the sins of Sodom and Gemorrah is great and very grievious (in the sight of God).”
    God Himself said He personally would “go down and see whether they have done altogether as vilely and wickedly as is the cry of it which has come to Me; and if not I will know.”
    It seems that in this passage God Himself is so appalled by the sins of Sodom and Gemorrah that He actually came down out of Heaven, accompanying the two angels He sent to destroy the cities. It almost seems like God Himself could not believe the vile and wickedness of the people in these cities and came to see it for Himself. That’s pretty amazing to think about when we assume that God on his heavenly throne sees everything.
    The destruction of Sodom and Gemorrah was genocidal, the deliberate extermination of people, but it was more of an act of Divine Retribution of the Creator against His own creation.
    Then there is the story of David, the shepherd boy, who killed the Philistine giant, Goliath. The entire Army of Israel was terrified of this one man, yet God used this young shepherd boy and his sling-shot to humble Saul and his men. The difference between David and the Israelite Army was his strong faith in the Lord. He knew God was on their side and he knew God was with him. This was the motivation that carried David across the plain to confront and kill Goliath.

  • 5 Illana // Jul 20, 2010 at 7:36 am   

    Personnaly, I think it’s a symbolic analyze more than a concrete or a present one.

    I don’t believe Jews is a race : people who visited Israel can see the diversity of israeli…
    Actually,I found the Yemeni the most beautiful women.

    Warrior ? yes the mizrahim may be but not the one from Europe (Ashkenazi) and if Israel is now very warrior (may be a little too much !!) it’s thanks to Jewish from Orient or because to them ..

    Nevertheless, I am not sure this small country is fighting thanks to his Faith but because of the danger all around them…

  • 6 David Yeagley // Jul 20, 2010 at 7:54 am   

    Certainly, the Jewish people are not a genetically “pure” race or ethnicity. But, there is definitely a unique genetic forumla, evolved from somewhere. I say this because there are certain diseases which are more or less unique to Jewish people, such as Tay-Sachs and other diseases..

    Also, generations of repeated behavior tend to make an impression on genes. There are elements of the Jewish religion that call for superior intellectual exercise and power. Over generations, Jewish people have developed, I believe, superior talents.

    Of course, Moses said God’s intent was to make them the head, not the tail. Deut. 28:13. I personally accept this. Most Gentiles to not. Part of the reason there is anti-Semitism in the world is because of this idea that God chose or prefers the Jews, and is therefore an unfair, prejudiced God.

    I think it’s romantic! Let Him be in love! Isn’t that what we all do when we fall in love? Aren’t we “prejudiced” about the one we love?

  • 7 Illana // Jul 20, 2010 at 8:14 am   

    Oh yes you have a very romantic vision of the world ..!!

    I have another interpretation of the antisemitism : the one who does not accept Jews doesn’t accept himself, the one who has a strong identity will never be antisemitic…

    Of course, there are other parameters like History, Culture, Social environnement but if a nation has trust in herself, (or is somebody is healthy in his mind), there are few probabilities she becomes antisemitic..

    It’s more a psycho-social vision of humanity but by thinking that we know how to fight intolerance.

  • 8 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 9:15 am   

    There is nothing morally or spiritually superior about the Jewish people. They were chosen by God to bring salvation into the world through the Messiah Jesus Christ. That’s it. But because of this they have been marked for death from the beginning.
    Contemplating genocide and private Jewish justice, a romantic concept? I beg to differ with you.

  • 9 David Yeagley // Jul 20, 2010 at 9:43 am   

    Well, put it this way: the holy scriptures represent a vastly superior collection of human thought. If you believe they are inspired (which I so), then they are also divine thought.

    Moral or spiritual superiority depends on the development of the person or people. I don’t think human nature ever changes, but, I think some cultures have a vastly superior moral and spiritual code.

    I think that’s the “inspired” part.

    Odd, how that seldom makes any difference, in the moral and spiritual behavior, huh?

    But, if the Lord loves one people above another, (Deut. 4:7,8), and you see it as a mere tactical devise, a communication technique, then I think you miss the essence of love. I believe the Bible story about the Lord and His people is a love story. It is one gigantic, on-going love story.

    All the breaking up, the making up, the writhing, the churning, the betrayal, the return–it is all one terribly stormy affair, this thing with God and Israel.

    I enjoy watching the movie.

    Now, I’m thinking my participation is an extra, or a bit part. Just a residue. Crumbs from the chidlren’s table, for the dogs, so to speak. But, hey, it’s the best food in the land.

  • 10 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 10:16 am   

    The relationship between God and his Jewish people is a love story. Only God is capable of loving people without condition. Look how many times the children of Israel committed what can be best described as “spiritual adultery” against Him by deliberately and willfully fornicating with pagan cultures. You would think that God would just throw up His hands like a scorned lover and say “Okay, that’s it. I’m done with you!” Thankfully, God is not like that. He does not put conditions on His Love and for that I am personally grateful!
    What is also unique to Jehovah God’s relationship with His people is when He made His covenant with them, it was forever. Even in the case of the Jews being dispersed out of the land because of disobedience, it still did not change God’s mind regarding his covenant relationship with them nor negate their ownership of the land.
    You are not an “extra” or a “bit part” if you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. None of us are worthy without Him. Even so Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Happy (and well fed) are those who are called to His Supper.

    “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ, into a spiritual union and communion with Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah, and have put on (clothed yourself )with Christ. There is now no distinction, neither Jew or Greek,(Gentile) there is neither slave nor free, their is not male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, are in Him Who is Abraham’s Seed, then you are Abraham’s offspring and spiritual heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:27-29

  • 11 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 2:21 pm   

    “Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath.”
    — Ephesians 4:26

    “Now, I’m thinking my participation is an extra, or a bit part.”

    The Christian needs to resist the New World Order. Most Christians are deceived and fail to understand this.

    To blame the problems of the world on “the Jews” is silly. White Liberals are chiefly responsible for the current decline of Western Civilization.

    Is it likely that Western Civilization will make a turn-about? No one can say. The future is entirely unknown.

    “Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.” — Ephesians 6:13

    It is for the Christian and the conservative Jew to stand for traditional Biblical morality and the Western Civilization that it gave birth to.

  • 12 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 2:38 pm   

    “I have another interpretation of the antisemitism : the one who does not accept Jews doesn’t accept himself, the one who has a strong identity will never be antisemitic…”

    Je ne comprends pas! Bien au contraire! La vérité, c’est une autre histoire.

    As I see it, Jews are very active in politics — the politics of other nations. To be politically active, one must take sides. When one takes sides, one makes enemies. Anti-Semitism arises from this.

  • 13 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 2:50 pm   

    In the massacre conducted by Simeon and Levi, there is another dimension to the story. Yes, it certainly was an honor killing. That’s the primary motive.

    But the city had asked for the Chosen People to integrate with them and “become one people.” This proposal was impossible to grant. Knowing that they could not honestly say “Yes” to this, Simeon and Levi spoke deceitfully in reply and used the unacceptable proposal as the means and opportunity to wreak vengeance on the inhabitants.

    If you “read between the lines,” any proposal to end the Chosen People through wholesale intermarriage is rejected in no uncertain terms.

  • 14 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 2:59 pm   

    Notice in Genesis 34 just what the sons of Jacob say:

    14And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:

    “15 But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;

    16 Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.”

    What is proposed? INTEGRATION and INTERMARRIAGE!

    Martin King discovered nothing new. Right here in the Biblical narrative we find integrationism explained and its true purpose revealed. I think that the “hidden” message in this account is that the Children of Israel needed to maintain their separateness as a people and never consider integration with non-Israelites, for this would destroy the Covenant.

  • 15 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 3:01 pm   

    Right from the start the Children of Israel understood that integration and intermarriage was a form of genocide. That is the secondary message from this passage.

  • 16 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 3:16 pm   

    “As I see it, the Jews are very active in politics…the politics of other nations”-Thrasymachus
    Moishe Rosen was a Jewish man very active in politics. But his own political views were not like the politics of the world. Moishe Rosen was a visionary. And a dreamer. His political aspirations were to serve the Kingdom of Jesus Christ and to help his fellow Jews understand that Y’Shua was indeed the long hoped for Messiah.
    As the ministry leader for Jews For Jesus, Moishe Rosen encouraged other Messianic Jews to “see the hearts of other people.”
    He told those commissioned to witness for this most essential branch of the Christian church:
    “Let’s go out of our way to try and understand and appreciate those who are different. Let us be the models of forgiveness. What happened twenty years ago, ten years ago, one year ago, yesterday, is not that important. It’s what can happen today and tomorrow.”
    Moishe Rosen made his profession of faith in Y’shua on Pentecost Sunday in 1953. He passed into eternal life on May 19, 2010 just as the Jewish Pentecost (Shavuot) was drawing to a close.
    It was always Moishe Rosen’s dream that his organization would expand to include a branch of the ministry in Israel. The day after his death, Jews For Jesus’ Behold Your God Israel campaign began in the Sharon region.

  • 17 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 3:36 pm   

    Here are the words of a Black man on miscegenation (after all, this is a topic in Genesis 34):

    ‘All living things express a genetic mandate to remain separate. Be it tree, dog, molecule, atom or apples. This fact does not imply a kind of prejudice in the fingers of nature. Instead it speaks to a creative wisdom working to preserve each element, kind, species and race as it was originally created–forming a universe where an unnumbered variety cooperate in the shaping of a beautiful whole. I argue that a similar mandate exists for humans, but unlike the pine tree, a blade of grass, or the great white shark, we can ignore this mandate.’ [. . .]

    ‘Interracial marriage is often born of a disdain for oneself and an unconscious drive to erase oneself via the next generation. I would venture a guess that many of those who engage in race mixing are running on the legs of buried anger and frustration, from a helpless, painful childhood where their first mates, their parents, failed them. Growing up with a fractured identity of their own, they are often driven by a false notion that they can leave behind one ugly world by merging into another.’ — Emanuel McLittle

  • 18 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 3:39 pm   

    James Buchanan believes that ‘unfortunately decades of Marxist propaganda claiming that the only racial difference is “skin colour” has convinced the cowardly and the foolish to support race-mixing. This brings up the question “How stupid are liberals?” Do they really believe that millions of their fellow Whites oppose race-mixing based solely on something as trivial as skin colour?’

  • 19 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 4:07 pm   

    The Bible, at least my Bible, does not condemn interracial marriages. Those sons of Jacob were upset because their sister was defiled by man who was not circumsized.
    “They (the sons of Jacob) said “We cannot do this thing (give our sister to Shechem for his wife) because he is not circumsized and this would be a reproach and a disgrace to us.” Genesis 34: 14
    This chapter deals with religious differences, not skin color and not race.
    The Bible is the inspired word of God and yes, He did seperate the nations.
    However, there is nothing in the Bible to prohibit marriage between the races.
    I personally do not see anything wrong with two people of different races falling in love and getting married and having children. Both Marriage and having a family are honorable in the eyes of God. Who am I to judge someone else because they choose to marry outside of their race?

  • 20 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 4:12 pm   

    However, the Bible says that the sons of Jacob answere Hamor DECEITFULLY. PK, you’re taking their words at face value.

  • 21 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm   

    “He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised; every male throughout your generation whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner not of your offspring.” Genesis 17:12
    “And the male who is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.” Genesis 17:14
    . Circumcision was a very serious issue. The sons of Jacob could not allow their sister to marry a man who was, in their eyes, a disgrace because he was not circumcised. To them, Schechem walked outside of the covenant relationship God had established with the Jewish people. Again it comes down to religious, not racial differences.

  • 22 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm   

    “To them, Schechem walked outside of the covenant relationship God had established with the Jewish people. Again it comes down to religious, not racial differences.”
    Since Shechem and his people WERE circumcised and were obviously willing to adopt the Hebrew religion, why then could they not intermarry with the new nation of Israel?

    I’ll leave you with the words of Thomas Fairweather:

    “To sum up, I personally think that miscegenation is something that has been forced onto people, especially in Western Countries, because of liberalism. It basically comes down to morals and values and people need to realise that if ANY race wants their children to at least have some vague resemblance to them then they need to “stick with their own kind”.

    Heritage and background should be basic requirements taken into account when thinking about having children, and for those people who are responsible enough, [they] should understand that it is not a decision that should be taken lightly. Especially, as a lot of us who live in Western countries seem to be part of such a hedonistic, shallow and consumerist society.

    Mass immigration has also played its part in making the act of miscegenation more prevalent than before and it ia up to both genders to realise that their ethnic/racial background should always be an important factor in their decision.

    Basically miscegenation is insidiously evil as it promotes the slow but eventual genocide of all races.

    I will now leave you with a poem by Rudyard Kipling, one of Britain’s finest poets, in relation to how he was against race-mixing (miscegenation).


    The stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk –
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The stranger within my gate,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control –
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the gods of his far off land,
    Shall repossess his blood.

    This was my father’s belief,
    And this is also mine;
    Let the corn be all of one sheaf –
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our childrens’ teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

    – Rudyard Kipling, Nobel Prize for Literature. (1865 – 1936).”

    God bless,


  • 23 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 5:39 pm   

    “His political aspirations were to serve the Kingdom of Jesus Christ and to help his fellow Jews understand that Y’Shua was indeed the long hoped for Messiah.”
    A most noble aspiration and one that would greatly reduce tensions between Jews and Gentiles — if both Jew and Gentile are of one mind in Christ Jesus.

  • 24 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 6:23 pm   

    Dinah, the daughter of Jacob and Leah, was taken against her will by Shechem, son of Hamor the Hivite and “he humbled, and defiled and disgraced her,” which means that he raped her. But his “soul longed for” his victim and so he said to his father, “Get me this girl to be my wife.” Dinah’s brothers found out what was going on and refused to allow this man to marry their sister because Shechem not only raped her and was holding her against her will, but he and his people were not circumcised. Shechem and his people only agreed to be circumcised so that he could satiate his lust and keep Dinah for himself, not in obedience to God’s command to be circumcised. This is the main reason why Dinah’s brothers killed Hamor and Shechem and rescued their sister. Their father, Jacob, was upset by their actions, because he feared retaliation from the Canaanites and the Perizzites. However, the last verse of this chapter reads, “And they (Simeon and Levi) said to Jacob, their father, should he, (Shechem) be permitted to deal with our sister as with a harlot?”
    The two brothers rescued their sister in order to restore her honor in the house of their father, rather than see her in sexual bondage to a man they considered to be a reproach and a disgrace, not only to them and their people, but to God. I think their motives and their actions were quite noble.

  • 25 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 6:51 pm   

    “Shechem and his people only agreed to be circumcised so that he could satiate his lust and keep Dinah for himself, not in obedience to God’s command to be circumcised.”
    “And his [Shechem’s] soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he LOVED the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.” Genesis 34:3

    No, the Bible clearly says that Shechem LOVED the girl by that point, despite his terrible crime against her. Love is NOT lust.
    (What was at first merely lust had turned into love.)

    Genesis 34, Verse 7 shows that Israel was already viewed as a NATION:

    “[T]hey [Jacob’s sons] were very wroth, because he [Shechem] had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob’s daughter: which thing ought not to be done.”

  • 26 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 7:13 pm   

    “Torah explicitly forbids intermarriage (Deuteronomy 7:3-4). Socializing with non-Jews is frowned upon as shown by the prohibition of drinking the wine of the non-Jews (Talmud: Avodah Zarah 36b) and eating bread made by the non-Jews (Code of Jewish Law: “Yoreh De’ah” 112). Clearly, halachah forbids intermarriage and further states that the children of such marriages will be lost to Judaism.”

    See Intermarriage and Jewish Survival by Jennifer Abbott on

  • 27 Pamela K. // Jul 20, 2010 at 7:24 pm   

    Because he (Shechem) was uncircumcised! That’s why Jacob’s sons were upset! Aside from being outside of covenant with God uncircumcised males have always been more at risk to develop infections and to carry disease.
    “And Hamor conferred with them, saying, “The soul of my son Shechem craves your daughter and sister.” Crave means to “long for” or “desire eagerly”. Okay, maybe Shechem did love Dinah. But how do we know how Dinah felt about him?

  • 28 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 7:33 pm   

    “Okay, maybe Shechem did love Dinah. But how do we know how Dinah felt about him?”

    Well, I’m certainly not saying that Jacob’s sons should have let him have Dinah’s hand in marriage. Quite the opposite!

    I can only assure you that Judaism has traditionally taken the Torah to forbid marriages with non-Jews. Why? Ultimately because the Covenant with Abraham is for Abraham’s descendants. The people would cease to be Abraham’s children if they freely practicd miscegenation.

  • 29 Thrasymachus // Jul 20, 2010 at 7:47 pm   

    “The Jewish community is vital to every Jew. Rejoicing, learning, and grieving with a community are important for all. Youth who are exposed to a Jewish community – including synagogue, school, camp, fairs, and plays – have a greater vestment in the Jewish community and are more likely to date and marry another Jew.” — Jennifer Abbott.

    This quote clearly shows us that Conservative Jews view Judaism through a racial or ethnic lens and that it’s not simply a matter of religious belief for them.

  • 30 David Yeagley // Jul 20, 2010 at 10:51 pm   

    The key to this passage is found in the first verse.

    “And Dinah…went out to see the daughters of the land.”

    She wanted to be cool. She wanted to run with the locals. Visit a mall. See the latest fashions. Who’s wearing what. What’s showing at the theatre.

    This verse explains everything, really.

    When her brothers demanded the bloody rite on the town menfolk, that was to decapacitate them, so only two, Simeon and Levi, could literally slaughter all of them.

    They had no intention of uniting with anyone, for any reason. And they would not have their sister “bought,” as if she was a whore. No pay off allowed.

    They had a choice. The family of Jacob could move on, or take remedial action. They chose the latter.

  • 31 David Yeagley // Jul 20, 2010 at 10:55 pm   

    Dinah was probably a fine looking young woman. A little “country” perhaps, so she wanted to get with it, to be more worldly. To fit in. To many brothers, anyway!

  • 32 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 6:42 am   

    The name, “Dinah” in Hebrew means, “justice”

    Perhaps Jacob’s anger at his sons was not so much because he feared retaliation from the Canaanites, but because they had usurped his authority as the head of the house. Jacob cursed his sons anger on his deathbed, saying,”weapons of violence are their swords…Cursed be their anger for it is fierce.” Genesis 49:5,7
    Aaron, who was to become the first priest of Israel was a descendant of Levi. However, both the tribes of Levi and Simeon lacked their own permanent territories in Israel. The Levites received no specific land while the tribe of Simeon was given only towns in the midst of the larger tribe of Judah and later absorbed into that tribe.

  • 33 David Yeagley // Jul 21, 2010 at 9:11 am   

    So, no response to the character of Dinah, and the situation she caused?

  • 34 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 9:15 am   

    What do you mean, she caused the situation?
    She went out to see what the other girls were doing and got raped! Are you saying she was actually prancing around like a seductress and asking for it? How would any of us really know what this girl was like anyway?

  • 35 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 9:25 am   

    Furthermore, may be this Shechem character was a real beast with rotten teeth and breath like sheep dung! I think her brothers actions show that they were indeed chivalrous men when it came to defending their sister’s honor.

  • 36 David Yeagley // Jul 21, 2010 at 9:31 am   

    Yes, I understand the brothers.

    But, I think the girl went out into the world, to be worldly. I don’t know that she intended to have sex with someone. But, I think the lesson is that she willfully put herself in the path of temptation. I think that’s fairly clear.

    I sense a streak of rebellion in her. Am I wrong? The verse (Gen. 34:1) reminds us that she was the daughter of Leah, not the beloved Rachel. I think she felt neglected. She felt she was shafted in the family genealogy.

    Whatever. The fact is, she went out into the world–not for spiritual reasons, but for wordly reasons. She paid a terrible price. Her brothers tried to restore the family pride as much as possible.

    You don’t be messin’ with them Jewish women! No matter how beautiful they are, and no matter how much you think you love them.

    Leave them alone, or you won’t live to tell about it.

  • 37 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 9:36 am   

    Again, I beg to differ with you. There is nothing wrong with love between a Jew and a Gentile as long as it is an honorable love. What happened to Dinah was not honorable. There were a lot of marriages between Christian men and Jewish women during the Spanish Inquistion. I have a book about one of the men who was known as an inquistor for the Church who turned away from persecuting Jews because his love for his Jewish woman.

  • 38 David Yeagley // Jul 21, 2010 at 10:00 am   

    Well, Shechem’s intent was to co-opt Jacobs ranch, so to speak. That’s how it turned out. He cared nothing for the family, I don’t think. It wasn’t out of good will toward Jacob & Co. It was out of an intent to merge. Merger by marriage. It was a form of robbery, just like the move on the girl.

    Whatever the nature of his affections for Dinah, Shechem’s motivations included a much bigger picture–and a selfish, business move, meant to co-opt the Jewish ranch.

  • 39 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 10:01 am   

    Ever since Eve tempted her husband to taste the forbidden apple, women in the Bible are almost always looked upon as the provocateur , especially in situations like Dinah’s. It really shows you how the Bible, in particular the King James Bible, was translated by a bunch of male chauvinists, who believed in keeping women silent and subserviant, which was certainly not part of God’s original plan.

  • 40 David Yeagley // Jul 21, 2010 at 11:30 am   

    There’s a better way to look at it, maybe.

    God made man and woman in an inexorable union. It is ONE. “Man” is male and female. The image of God is male and female. This bond is profound.

    People have faulted Adam for following “weak” Eve. I say no. He did what any man would do who was ONE with his beloved. He would not be separated from her.

    I don’t profess to have any understanding at all of how the Fall happened. I wrote a huge paper on it in college (Oberlin), as an independent study in the English department. I’ve never since attempted to understand it.

    The way I see it now, the Fall of man honors marriage. It isn’t a question of Eve being made equal with Adam. She was part of Adam! I don’t get into the blame assignment here. I think the strength of marriage, the strength of the union, is the power which “enabled” the Fall. The Serpent took advantage of that bond.

    But the bond remained!

    In other words, I don’t see women as being put down so much in the Bible. I know it may look that way, but, personally, I see women as extremely powerful in the Bible.

  • 41 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 12:17 pm   

    I agree with you that ordinary women in the Bible often lived extraordinary lives. They have been a powerful influence and inspiration to many other women over the centuries.
    Personally, I most identify with the Samaritan woman at the well. Although her circumstances were far different from my own, she knew the pain of rejection and the feeling of being ostracized by her peers, that’s why she chose to go get water at the well at the noon hour instead of early in the morning when the other women of her village would be there. Jesus knew all about this woman before she even appeared at the well. He was waiting for her, just like He waits for all of us. It does not matter what weve done. Like this anonymous woman, He offers us the Living Water of redemption for our sins and eternal life.
    Another remarkable part of this story is that Jesus chose that time and that place and that woman to reveal His true identity as the Messiah for the first time.

  • 42 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 1:22 pm   

    “Again, I beg to differ with you. There is nothing wrong with love between a Jew and a Gentile as long as it is an honorable love.”
    Conservative Judaism says “No.” Always has.
    Not unless the woman is past her child-bearing years. Then marriage is permissible.

  • 43 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 1:31 pm   

    “With approximately 50 percent of American Jews today marrying non-Jews, and only 33 percent of these dual-faith couples raising their children as Jews, intermarriage poses a serious threat to Jewish survival.”

    “Orthodox Judaism’s View of Intermarriage

    All branches of Orthodox Judaism, both Haredi and non-Haredi, view intermarriage as wrong and refer to intermarriage as a “Second Silent Holocaust.” ”

    Jewish View of Intermarriage.

    Furthermore, for the Christian, both persons must be Christian.

    Overall, there is a very high rate of intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles in the U.S. — perhaps as high as 70% of American Jews! Nonetheless, anti-Semitism has not disappeared. If God commanded his people not to intermarry, how can this be an “honorable marriage”? Orthodox Judaism is against it. It is prohibited by law in the state of Israel.

  • 44 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 1:36 pm   

    Messianic Jews know that Christians are included in the same family as Abraham as they are included in the same family as Christ. Kind of blows the tradition of the manmade religious laws out of the water, don’t you think?

  • 45 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 1:40 pm   

    And how about this very Jewish quote:

    Among the Biggest Threats to Jewish Survival

    “There is perhaps no greater threat to the well-being of Am Yisrael, the Jewish nation, than assimilation and its all too natural consequence, intermarriage. [. . .] The unfortunate reality of the situation is that assimilation and intermarriage have done more to destroy Jewish souls than most every form of persecution and act of genocide we have suffered as a people throughout time immemorial.”

    Assimilation & Intermarriage.

  • 46 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 1:45 pm   

    “Messianic Jews know that Christians are included in the same family as Abraham as they are included in the same family as Christ.”

    The same spiritual family.

    When a male becomes a Christian, he does not cease to be a male; nor does a female cease to be a female. The “oneness” in Christ is spiritual.
    The Bible continues to recognize sex differences and nationality.

    When a Jew becomes a Christian by religion, he can still affirm his Jewish racial identity. He is certainly under no obligation to marry a non-Jewish woman. The same applies for the Jewish woman, of course.

  • 47 Pamela K. // Jul 21, 2010 at 1:56 pm   

    One Flesh, One Spirit

  • 48 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 2:00 pm   

    I’ll sum up with a analogous case to those made by Orthodox Jews and other Jews concerned about Jewish survival.

    The Morality of Survival I

    The Morality of Survival II.

  • 49 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 2:17 pm   

    The article “The Morality of Survival” approaches the matter from an evolutionary perspective. Nevertheless, the actual principle of racial destruction remains the same, even for those who hold to the Biblical Creation.

    The point is that Whites are becoming extinct as nations and as a race. To be in favor of this process is to put oneself in the camp of the Liberals. No true Conservative could find race-suicide acceptable.

  • 50 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 2:20 pm   

    The purpose of the State of Israel in the Mid-East is to prevent the suicide of the Jewish race. In this manner, even though Jews abroad may intermarry, those in Israel do not and cannot. This ensures the survival of at least a core of the Jewish people.

    In like manner, the true puropse of any nation should be to keep the nationality and culture alive and discourage intermarriage.

  • 51 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 2:33 pm   

    In Romans 11, St. Paul makes the matter clear:

    ” 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his [Jewish] people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

    2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.”

    “7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.”

    Here the “election” are only Jews who have accepted Christ. These are not Gentiles.

    In verse 14 Paul makes clear that he still views himself as a Jew by race:

    “14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.”

    Verse 17 refutes the Jews for Jesus argument:

    17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou [the Gentiel], being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;”

    Gentile Christians are not of one flesh with the Jew. They are “grafted in among them.” There remains a distinction.

    Finally, we learn that all Israel will be saved in the end:

    “26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”

    Even in the Christian Era, the Gentile remains a Gentile and the Israelite and Israelite.

  • 52 Thrasymachus // Jul 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm   

    There is no promise in Scripture that all Gentiles shall be saved! Therefore, the distinction between Jew and Gentile must remain in God’s sight a very real and fleshly — i.e., racial — distinction!

  • 53 Thrasymachus // Jul 24, 2010 at 5:49 pm   

    “I think it’s romantic! Let Him be in love! Isn’t that what we all do when we fall in love?”
    J.S. Bach thought of religion in romantic terms:

    Aria from
    Cantata 49

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