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• 1 Phyllis // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:56 am   

  There are many points in this that one could address. Personally, I feel rather hopeless as to what is happening in this nation today.

  The election of Obama seems to me the workings of a ‘Manchurian Candidate’ type scenario. I wouldn’t be surprised if the decision to groom him and his ideologies started years ago, before he went to Harvard Law school. A group of like-thinking very bright socialist leaning (possibly America hating) persons planned for his presidential placement in order to facilitate their ideology.

  I can only hope that enough citizens revolt against this administration to vote out the liberal congressional members in the elections a year from now and that the president will be a ‘one-termer’ as of 2012.

  Then, the best I can hope for is a reversal of the policies from this administration.

  Our problem, as addressed in the above “Palin Predicament”, is where will we find the candidate with the qualifications and electability to lead us back to the constitution and restore the freedoms which are presently compromised?

  I don’t care if this candidate is male or female or black or white or other. All I care about is the future of this nation and its citizens.

• 2 David Yeagley // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:25 pm   

  All true patriots are with you on this one, Phyllis. I’m not trying to say Sarah Palin isn’t the person to lead, either. I’m only saying that her notoriety right now I find somehow dangerously associated with the flip side of the Barry “Obama” Soetoro scenario. Yet, this circumstance shouldn’t preclude her.

  Cleaning out Congress might induce a strong candidate to come out of the woods!

• 3 Awen // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:20 pm   

  Here are some rednecks for you, right down the road from you too.

• 4 David Yeagley // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:32 pm   

  Edited your post Awen. I don’t wish to promote something like that. It is also insulting for you to post that here, knowing this.

• 5 Awen // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:37 pm   

  Don’t be so priggish

• 6 David Yeagley // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:06 pm   

  It’s called trying to respond with respect and decor, when someone’s messin’ wit chu!

  So, what’s your take on Palin? The whole situation…

• 7 John Sandusky // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:49 pm   

  Palin is kaput politically when it comes to the presidency. Whether or not she is electable for the Federal House or Senate from Alaska . . . who knows?

  One thing I do know is that this women has real skeletons in the closet, and is far from the conservative many uniformed people think she is. Many of her actions while serving in Alaska, I would describe as “on the rag actions.” However, to truly know what one is dealing with, one should read more than “Going Rogue.” — remember, no one is more dishonest in their entire life than when they write a book. I forgot what brilliant mind stated this.

  I also know that as governor of Alaska, Palin’s approval rating ranged from a high of 93% in June 2007 to 54% in May 2009.

  The following is a taste of what I am saying. Remember, John (the democrats go-to-man) McCain is the one that picked her to run on the ticket with him.

  http://www.legis.state.ak.us/BASIS/get_bill_text.asp?hsid=SB0177A&session=19

  Palin approved of the above gun control measure, while the Chief of Police she fired, Irl Stambaugh opposed the bill.

  The big tough barracuda, also pulled the I’m just a fragile, “wittle,” delicate girl card,” saying Stambaugh’s countenance was intimidating.

  I guess your intimidating, unless you walk around with a goofy grin on your puss all day long like Todd and Sarah . . . yes indeed GOP conservatives, we can do better than the barracuda. . . “you betcha!”

• 8 Phyllis // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm   

  Very interesting Mr. Sandusky! Thanks.

  (And as an aside, I think Awen has a crush on Dr. Yeagley! Her behavior is identical to the acting out of various juveniles in certain phases of development when they feel an attraction to someone and don’t know how to get their attention. Thus….they come up with something vile)

• 9 frac america // Nov 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm   

  As frustrated as I am with the Republicans, I am concerned about all this 3rd party talk. With all the momentum, it seems prime time to take back the Republican party. However, folks seem really steamed up with so many splinter groups.

  I’m surprised at Beck’s “plan.” Mark Levin seemed to be critical of both Palin and Beck, without naming them.

  What is your take on Beck?

  What about a 3rd party vs. taking over the Republicans?

• 10 David Yeagley // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 pm   

  I say take back the Republican Party. It just needs to be what it’s supposed to be.

  Frankly, I think Palin has what it takes. Simple, right values, and guts. It doesn’t take brilliance. Morals are simple, and they guide through the most complex situations. Palin is not owned to connected to big money. That’s another big, big plus.

  She’s trailer trash, with morals. Country girl with courage. We don’t want someone steeped in complexity and nuance of politics. That’s what’s ruined everything up til now. It makes cowards.

  I just wish she were a man, or that there was a man of her kind. White Trash (one of our posters here) thinks there are plenty such men. They just haven’t shown yet.

  I wonder.

• 11 Awen // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:57 pm   

  @ Yeagley,

  As to Palin, I don’t think the media dog and pony show is of the least relevance. This person, like all patriots, is at heart a Constitutionalist, not necessarily a Republican. She’s also a bit of a secessionist; her husband certainly is and well, birds of a feather….and all that. Which makes her, IMHO, a far better deal than she appears. We can’t expect the media to make anybody at all look good; the most noble and charming can come off looking like jackasses when they end up on TV interviews; it has that cheapening effect on everyone.

  Ron Paul is still my own pick but since about half the electorate are morons, they couldn’t understand what the man was talking about. He wants to get rid of the federal Reserve and had the guts to say that in public, and that’s when we see the damage of 35 years or so of serious dumbing down because so few understand what that is. He sponsored the Health Freedom Act, the only possible legal salvation from the dreaded Codex Alimentarius, which will make even vitamin supplements illegal and all alternative natural cures with them. HR847 is being voted on behind closed doors to put all food production under government control and only Ron Paul is screaming. Without your lives, all the politics in the world won’t help you and unless someone IS a moron, he can’t believe that pharmaceutical companies and Monsanto want us all healthy and independent. Just what I’ve said is already over the heads of most of the voters and that’s damn scary. If you’re a baby-boomer, you’d better know our present Administration wants us dead, not least so we shan’t be expecting that Social Security that has already been plundered.

  I have not seen Ms. Palin address all this to the media but that might just be good common sense. We have a lot of elephants in the room we’re not allowed to mention lest we be accused of tin foil hat paranoia. As to national security, I’m not too worried. Who does most of the hunting in the jungle, after all? That one would be like Queen Isabella of Castile; mess with her and get blown the shreds. Obviously she’s softening that up a bit for public consumption, a brain-benumbed public that can no longer look either life or death in the face. But, until the Right dissociates itself from the Religious Right, it won’t be getting many of the new voters and fewer still of the intellectuals of any age. It is that and that only, that makes its leaders into laughingstocks. This is 2009; we’re supposed to act like it. The media are making a big deal over Ms. Palin’s church affiliations in a deliberate attempt to ridicule her.

  Respect and decorum? Pardon me if that never occurred to me, for I have not seen any evidence of same before! I offered some comic relief but you don’t have a normal sense of humour so I won’t bother with you. If I had any sympathy left, which I don’t for that died a horrible death, I’d say that is very sad.

  @ Phyllis
  [EDITED] I don’t give a [EDITED] what a holy-roller thinks; it’s too plain that they don’t.

• 12 John Sandusky // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:50 pm   

  Sarah Palin, is trailer trash?

  Her father was a science teacher and a basketball coach. Her mother was a school secretary.

  I know of some very classy people that bought some acreage and a double wide.

  Many Indians live in trailers which segues into my next bit of info.

  On December 2, Operation Repo, airing on “True” TV is breaking boundaries and venturing onto the Reservation.

  From what I’ve learned from Awen, the Latino repo folks have a lot of business potential within the Rev that has gone untapped.

  And another thing DY, you have quite the nerve saying Sarah Palin has an inferior education. Why? Because its not one of those Ivy League educations that dominates the leadership of just about every failed institution in America.

  America needs more leaders without those inferior Ivy League educations. Sarah Palin is just not one of them.

• 13 John Sandusky // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:00 pm   

  The following is a photo of the first home Sarah Palin’s father and mother provided for their children.

  

• 14 Phyllis // Nov 24, 2009 at 8:43 am   

  @ frac historically, 3rd parties haven’t done too well. I think it is the independents moving from left to right and back which swing the elections. I consider myself a conservative independent/libertarian. There is no way that I am going to vote for either Hutchison or Perry (GOP)in the Texas gubernatorial race. At this point in time, I am going for the Texas Jewboy.

  I agree, Mr. Sandusky, Palin is not trailer trash. I can’t help but admire the woman. But I don’t want her for president. The executive branch would feel more like a gathering of the PTA. As to the repo men going on the reservations….sounds a little familiar to me when you think of the miners and prospectors venturing into the Black Hills and Colorado, etc. in the 19th century.

  @ Awen, I agree with you in that the religious right with its megaphone only hurts the GOP. And agree, also that Ron Paul (with whom I am more familiar than with Rand) has made some valuable and important points.

  So where does that leave us? There is no one on the horizon who as yet demonstrates the capacity or electability to go against the constitutional bull-dozer. We need to find at the least a ‘Sherman Tank’.

• 15 David Yeagley // Nov 24, 2009 at 9:21 am   

  “Trailer trash” is a figurative expression, as I used it, anyway. It is a stereotype. I used it because lots of Palin’s enemies used it from the start. I thought it was a standard criticism. I have no idea how her family started out.

  But, this is about class struggle, is it not. This is one of her strongest assets–being ‘normal’ American. “Middle class.” But that is a very relative term. All these class lines are relative.

  Education is relative, as well. People who have a “college” degree from the local community establishment, or even a remote state campus, have no idea what an Ivy league professor or Ivy league library is like.

  But don’t misunderstand me. None of this counts against Palin. I’m just pointing out that the remote northern plains, and the wilds of Alaska, do not represent refinement, class, or elegance. America no doubt needs very much this kind of refreshment from someone like Palin. The great white frontier woman. Fine.

  Perhaps I’m turned off by the hype, the media, the idolization. But, perhaps this is what it takes in this day of create-a-candidate politics. Perhaps I’m distracted by the glitz, and that’s actually what I’m reacting to, rather than the candidate.

  Still, I think it would be a major mistake to have a woman president. It is confusing to children, and tends to weaken concepts of masculinity. It’s a Democrat thing, you know. Weakness.

• 16 whitetrash // Nov 24, 2009 at 10:36 am   

  “Ron Paul is still my own pick but since about half the electorate are morons, they couldn’t understand what the man was talking about.”

  Truth.

• 17 whitetrash // Nov 24, 2009 at 11:02 am   

  “Education is relative, as well. People who have a “college” degree from the local community establishment, or even a remote state campus, have no idea what an Ivy league professor or Ivy league library is like.”

  Ronald Reagan got a “college” degree from a small school. Dubya got his from the Ivy League, as did his Daddy, as did Clinton, as did Obama.

  Draw your own conclusions about where the real talent and ability resides.

• 18 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 11:07 am   

  @ Yeagley,

  Well, you were doing all right till you lapsed into imbecility – again- in your last paragraph. I am a little grateful though, that you have made my own defection so much easier. One thing a lot of us learned about 4WD vehicles that are ’supposed to go anywhere’ is that they can get stuck in so much worse places. Likewise, only really intelligent people can manage such appalling stupidity. The only child that’s confused here is you and you’ve been pouting just like one. Tough. Today’s children don’t need you to tell them how to think and the vast majority of those old enough to vote chose the other side. You’ll go the way of the dinosaurs and good riddance. It’s time to bring back something far older than patriarchy; evolution demands it; human survival demands it. In this return to the light, I expect the Tribes to play a major role, and hight time too, in helping us all towards a cleaner spirituality.

  The Left is anything but ‘weak,’ and the longer people think it is, the deeper will its claws dig into the fabric of American society. Personally, I don’t believe that it suits the American character to adopt Communism but Socialism is here to say. That’s not our real threat; that New World Order built on fascist lines is what we all have to worry about. One clique of greedy psychopaths who want to own the whole world and everybody in it. And whilst Republicans are moaning about a political puppet with little real power, the President, those transnational corridors are being built from Mexico through Canada, toll roads owned by foreign governments are sprouting up like mushrooms all over the country, UN troupes are setting up housekeeping on their own military bases and ours and all our National Parks are being turned into UN ‘Biospheres.’ All the above was promoted enthusiastically by the Bush.

  The last Republican President we had with any integrity was Ronald Reagan. I stayed Republican after that for only these reasons: guns, resistance to the UN, a hard stance on crime and immigration. Since Reagan, both Parties have sold us out on all of those. Then the Right, to its detriment, began pandering to religious nuts and destroyed its credibility. Political footballs were made out of private medical issues that no well-bred person would even discuss in mixed company, let alone the national media. They may as well have declared that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy would be guiding their policies.

  Now we all have to face certain facts: a nation can never be anything but a reflection of the people in it. Change the demographic and you change the nation into someplace else. This is inescapable! Import the third world; become the third world. The fruit never falls far from the tree. Blood will out and that’s that. We are not going to wave a magic wand over people with no blood memory of the creation of America and turn them into patriotic Americans. They have neither understanding nor use for all our high ideals for which our ancestors drenched the soil in their blood. People are simply not alike. Crows, blue jays and finches are all birds but nobody is going to mistake one for another and they all don’t tend to nest together either.

  We are headed either towards ‘balkanization’ or subsumation to a one-world government. If you all don’t see that, you have your heads in the sand. Indian Tribes are a minority and whites are soon to join them. What works to keep us two in line is NOT going to work keeping the third world in line. Did nobody ever wonder why those countries have such brutal governments? Perhaps you remember a line from the Shah of Iran: “When my people start behaving like Swedes, then I’ll behave as the King of Sweden.” Well, it’s not Swedes that are pouring into this country by the thousands every single day. Most of them aren’t Mexicans either; for every one of those, there are five or six Asians coming in from the northern border, but they’re not having street demonstrations and being a general pain in the butt to everybody so we don’t notice there’s a Chinese under every porch yet.

  We are going to have to learn to get along with all these people for our own survival and find someplace we can meet, some values on which we can agree for the good of all of us. Getting rid of them is no longer an option. All the wishing in the world will not bring back the 1950’s. Instead of whining for the good old days, which most of us see through rose-tint anyhow, it might be a good idea, if we haven’t begun already, to start learning more languages. I can do 7 and about 5 others minimally so I’m not the least scared. It WILL be my own ‘good old days’ to return to internationalism since I grew up overseas anyway. I teach a lot of children English as a second language and I don’t waste any time with sexism and racism propaganda in my lessons. People have to find their own way to humanity and a better society for us all – if we want one.

• 19 Phyllis // Nov 24, 2009 at 12:01 pm   

  Awen…well, you just kinda blew me away! Most of what you said in the above I agree with. And You may not be at all what I thought. You are brilliantly articulate accompanied by an intelligence quite above the median.

  For sure…you can really spew and absent vituperation your observations analysis are worthy of a read.

  You just can’t quit raggin’ on the ‘Y’. LOL!

  By the way, Texas kicked the ‘Trans Texas Corridor’ in the butt. That was one of Perry’s dreams with a campaign contribution from the Spanish construction company. It was a sneak job. Its on hold for now.

• 20 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 12:15 pm   

  ôl ysgrif/P.S.

  When I was about 5, my mother, ever the historian, told me a story about a big ‘Leftist’ that quite gave me chills. When the young Iosif
  Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili found himself on the wrong side of the Tsar’s men and he was being bound and stripped for a beating he was not expected to survive, he managed to take a leaf from a nearby bush and place it between his teeth. After that beating, he removed that leaf from his mouth and showed his enemies that there was not one tooth mark upon it and he said, “Remember me. My name is Stalin.” You’re going to find out, Yoogles, which are the weak ones.

• 21 David Yeagley // Nov 24, 2009 at 1:25 pm   

  White Trash:

  I never said Ivy league education guaranteed character, leadership ability, or even success. All I said was that there is a world of difference between Panhandle A & M, and Yale. It is quite wrong and ignorant to scoff at such a difference.

  But that’s part of the class struggle thing. The have nots are always averse to the haves, as if the poor are exempt from covetousness or envy. You know, everything down here on earth is just not equal. That’s a romantic fantasy if there ever was one. A distortion of the truth. Makes a great marketing pitch, but, it ain’t so.

  There is good fortune, there is privilege, but it is not condemnable in and of itself.

  Now, tell me why some one like Ann Coulter mocks the Ivy league so often?! Ha!

• 22 whitetrash // Nov 24, 2009 at 2:15 pm   

  “All I said was that there is a world of difference between Panhandle A & M, and Yale. It is quite wrong and ignorant to scoff at such a difference.”

  Agreed. It is the nature of that difference where we disagree. Looking at the last five presidents, those Ivy League schools don’t look to be such a value compared to Eureka College. And let’s not get started on the Ivy League Bankers….

  Know what I mean, Vern?

• 23 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 3:02 pm   

  @ Phyllis,

  Thank you. Now you have my attention and your post merits an honest answer. I ‘ragg’ on him because he can’t stop ragging on us – you cannot have failed to notice that. So, he has to be smacked every time he does it until he stops, doesn’t matter by whom. There are certain types of males who just like to be punished so they’ll continue to provoke until they get what they ask for. I am a pro fighter’s child, raised in the ring myself just because my father thought it good for us, and were we in the same space, and that one had the misfortune to be mine, those smacks would be real ones. Some guys just can’t learn any other way.

  But there’s a serious side to this: Every sexist and patriarchal male is a murderer, a domestic abuser, a rapist and a child molester, every one. They don’t have to go commit the crimes themselves; they instead help to promote attitudes of mind that make such crimes acceptable. The blood of all those victims is on their hands – and, this is important, Phyllis: no matter what they try to do to ‘atone’ later, those bloodstains are never coming off.

  In 28 years of marriage, I never once detected the least stench of patriarchy in my husband because it simply wasn’t there to come out. You won’t find it in Navajos as a rule and after all, I’ve lived most of my adult life among them. How can you imagine sharing living space with a patriarchal attitude? Does it not make your skin crawl? It does mine! And one time, just once, that I see this filth, it is all over. I lose any speck of friendship or softness towards that corrupted person at that point and it is FOREVER. Nothing I can do will bring it back; just the thought of sharing space with such a one makes me gag. So you can forget all about ‘crushes,’ dear lady; this I swear to you in all the Goddess’ names, is the truth.

  As a native Texan myself, I have been noticing with pleasure the Texans’ resistance to the NWO and can only hope they keep it up. That work is still being done, however and winning one battle should not allow us to take our eyes off the war.

• 24 David Yeagley // Nov 24, 2009 at 3:19 pm   

  WTrash: you think maybe vast intellectual resources and experience tend to a distorted view of present reality?

  I know the Bible says (in Old and New Testaments) that excessive knowledge is unhealthy. Too much books, too much study, makes a person think of himself in an inflated way. (Was it Felix, who thought St. Paul was partially insane, due to “too much learning?”

  So, why do we have libraries and ivy league schools? How did they evolve? What do they really represent, sociologically?

• 25 David Yeagley // Nov 24, 2009 at 3:22 pm   

  Awen, I think a person can develop the ability to see another person objectively, without total self-projection. I think this is possible.

• 26 zephyr // Nov 24, 2009 at 4:05 pm   

  There is no reason why a qualified woman couldn’t lead this country. It’s clear that some of the men who have tried haven’t done such a great job.

  My primary concern with Palin is that she is one of those women who swallowed all that feminist nonsense in the 70’s of “you CAN have it all!” meaning, you can be a career woman and a supermom at the same time.

  No, women cannot. And for very pragmatic reasons: no human can be in multiple places at the same time. No one can spend the 60-80 hrs/wk necessary to do a bang-up job in their career and stay ahead of their competitors while at the same time raising their children.

  Even with a supportive husband, I am bothered by the fact that Palin has 5 children–none of them really adults and some quite small–and has been putting her career goals in the forefront.

  Something has to give, and it’s usually the family that suffers. That’s the part we don’t hear about it.

  If women want to be president, or senator, or full time in any demanding profession, don’t have children, or have one or two at most. I’m not a fan of Oprah, but she has one thing right: you do have make a deliberate decision. You do have to make a sacrifice to succeed, either in your family or professional life. I’m just tired of women putting their families on the altar.

• 27 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 4:30 pm   

  @ Zephyr,

  It’s time for husbands to do better than just a ’supportive role,’ that’s all. They’ve been getting away with too much avoidance for too long.

  @ Yeagley,

  When you can figure out how to do that yourself, by all means send me the recipe.

• 28 zephyr // Nov 24, 2009 at 5:00 pm   

  Awen, I don’t believe there is any real substitute for a mother’s interactions with her children. Yes, fathers need an interactive role as well, but women need to realize it is not possible to do it all or have it all. Success–including family cohesion–always involves sacrifice.

• 29 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 5:26 pm   

  CNN just can’t help being catty:
  Palin signs 20,000 books

  I think she needs to take a break and make some kind of statement about this: We’re going to be hit with a ‘War Tax.’ If the Repubs could be said to have decided to commit political suicide in 2008, the Dems are joining the game:
  War surtax: ‘Pay as you fight’

  After months of listening to conservatives caterwaul over deficits and health care, senior House Democrats want a graduated surtax on individuals and corporations to pay for another big drain on the treasury: the Afghanistan war. ”

  @ Zephyr,
  Unless you’re a woman yourself, what women need to do is none of your business. And even if you are one, only what YOU do comes under your particular brand of ethics. Every family is unique and has to get by as best it can. We have far more serious problems facing us now than squabbles over gender roles.

• 30 David Yeagley // Nov 24, 2009 at 5:40 pm   

  Yeah, after all, there’s absolutely no difference between a man and a woman. Right? I mean, let’s make that “equality” thing mean what it’s supposed to mean. Right?

• 31 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 5:47 pm   

  @ LOL! Who said anything about equality?

• 32 Awen // Nov 24, 2009 at 5:49 pm   

  A cucumber and a carrot are not the same but is the cucumber ‘better’ than the carrot? What a stupid question and what a stupid issue.

• 33 frac america // Nov 24, 2009 at 10:28 pm   

  @ Awen. What is it about the religious right that you hate so much?

  I’m pretty new to this site, forgive me for not understanding your rants. Sounds like they are based on a bit of history with DY.

  I’m not sure which of your statements are your beleifs and which are just antagonistic comments. For clarification, are you saying you support Socialism, but not in the NWO? If so, what does it matter if the NWO rules or not?

  As far as the Asians coming in over the border, do you think they are harmless and nothing to worry about?

  You sound well informed, but it is hard to hear you with all the static you throw out with it. Would love to learn from you, but you will have to accept our differences so that your anger does not get in the way of the teaching. Is that a fair and acceptable request?

• 34 David Yeagley // Nov 24, 2009 at 10:48 pm   

  Awen is new also, and has no history with me. There are many here who do, however.

  Some are able to refrain from certain kinds of assertions, others not so much so.

  The personal has its place, but, generally not the male/female kind of “personal” business. That’s wholly inappropriate here. Some have to be told that, it seems. It tends to make me very angry, very quickly, when the open forum is abused.

  In my opinion, it is an extremely important question whether or not Palin can be president. Zephyr’s points are critically important.

  I mean, look at what happened to the oldest daughter. Doesn’t this reveal anything at all?

• 35 Awen // Nov 25, 2009 at 12:52 pm   

  @ frac america,

  No, I do not necessarily support Socialism for America but I do think it is here to stay. The ‘diversity’ of our population is sure to make it necessary if we’re to have any kind of order at all. Otherwise, we all go back to the law of the jungle – I don’t need to point out to you how much of the ‘jungle’ is already in residence here.

  What does the NWO matter? Do you wish to chipped like cattle and made a slave forever? Do you wish to be forbidden to feed yourself and your family? Go look at the latest bills being pushed in Congress. NAIS will break every subsistence rancher and benefit only big business. HR875 will put all food production under government inspection and control, including your backyard garden. We should have taken note when old Kissinger advised that the best way to bring a people to their knees was to grab their water and food. It works far better than bullets, he said.

  Thousands of farmers in India have committed suicide because of GMO’s and Monsanto. For the first time in history, they are not allowed to save their seeds. This is true blasphemy, regardless of one’s particular creed. These are the claws of the NWO. They’re doing it in Mexico, in South America, in the Middle east, especially Iraq. Codex Alimentarus will remove all vitamin supplements and natural remedies from legal sale. We are supposed to die on schedule after big business and big pharma has drained all they can from our pitiful sick lives. Don’t you see this already?

  I don’t think ANY foreigners coming here whose allegiance is not to America is a ‘harmless’ thing! This all smacks of the ‘Reconstruction” after the War Between the States. Now our ‘carpetbaggers’ are Chinese; notice what’s happening in California with the foreclosures. Our farm belt is being sold away to foreigners. So are our ports and roads and bridges. No, this doesn’t look to be a good thing at all. However, there are others who just want to join our society and live like the rest of us and if they truly want to make a contribution and want to help us fight against being stripped of all we have, including our freedom, well then, we can use the help.

  As to religion, it has no place in government. The Council of Bishops had no business sticking its nose into Health Reform. Who cares what they think? Religion is for the home and the church and if the clergy can’t stay out of politics, they should lose their tax-exempt status immediately.

  However, I am far more leery of all this pandering to the Muslims than to the Christians. And I know why that is: violence works; even the threat of violence works. It has literally brought civilized nations to their knees. Books are being censored already here because sellers are afraid of offending Muslims. Programs are not shown, school curricula are changed. These are people who go about cutting off heads and everyone is afraid of them. A few bible thumpers are no big deal in comparison.

  Just to keep it simple: I always mean exactly what I say, frac america. You may call it static if you like; it is the truth as I see it.

  @ Yeagley,

  Don’t you EVER tell the truth? Of course there’s a history with us; it’s simply a very bad one and how much or little time it took to build one up is irrelevant. I have to say I’m glad that John didn’t live to see how this turned out, poor man; he was such a fan of yours.

  If you want to avoid male/female discussions, or anything else controversial, then leave it alone yourself! You always start things and then complain when you get trounced for it. If I don’t come get you, somebody else will.When you are being unfair, unjust and unreasonable, don’t expect to just continue to get away with it. This is such a waste of a fine talent, with a potential to unify and instead, you use it to create more division we can ill afford now.

  Why don’t you just delete my posts? Once you have read them and received their message to you, their purpose has been served. I don’t care. You can end all of this now for us, return to the little world you’ve built with no word from me seen or heard ever again. Just say it. Sorry, but it’s an Indian thing; you have to do your part and say it and then you’ll be free of having to get so ‘angry’ all the time. It’s you who prefers to fight in public rather than in private so say goodbye in public. ‘go away;’ ‘don’t write anymore;’ ‘piss off;’ any of those will do.

  I’ll still be watching, of course, as I warned you I would do, but that’s only from a professional perspective and it doesn’t require me at all to come in here and say anything myself. I’ve noticed the Indian fora, when they mention you at all, trash you without mercy and I was surprised to discover how much that annoys me. I think it is only because they’re not attacking you for the things you’ve really done to annoy people but just for the hell of it instead. We need to find some things on which we can agree. Indian tribes are a fundamental and irreplaceable part of America’s soul. Separation doesn’t work anymore. I hope you’ll decide some day to do a little more listening and less bashing of them.

  Now, I’ve told you ’selamat tinggal’ on your latest article. That’s for the one leaving and the one staying responds a little differently. Go and respond as you are supposed to. Not that it really matters which language you use; you just put that one my mind with the shadow plays. Even if we both had a high pain threshold, we can’t take any more of this, I think.

• 36 Walksthrough // Nov 26, 2009 at 2:11 am   

  David, “The problems of the country can never be solved through elections.”

  Unless I’m entering my dotage a few years early, I’m sure I insisted some years ago in the Dim Time of my BE posting that “the vote cannot save us.”

  This is so much more sadly true today. But at the same time, it is quite comforting.

  I may also have said here, and to others around me, that the Republicans lost because they pushed aside the Christian right, rebuffed them, acted ashamed of them, except when coveting their pulpits for a Sunday morning plug. I said and still maintain that the Republicans will not win again possessing true conservatism, the “we win, they lose” brand of Reagan conservatism, unless they see the light of the folly of playing at church and rejecting Jesus Christ and association with His gospel. I love seeing such fools fail even as they invoke the names of their false gods, because it demonstrate how right the Bible is throughout, even while the fools continue to find ways to suppress its instruction and expression.

  Never apologize about other Christians. The world cannot be appeased.

• 37 Awen // Nov 26, 2009 at 10:06 am   

  @ Walksthrough,

  Your last line is dead on.That goes for Christians as well as Muslims, Jews, Animists, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Shintoists or Pagans. Religious proselytizing should be prosecuted the same way as soliciting prostitution. Christians and Muslims in particular have had one characteristic in common throughout their history: they can be downright murderous on differing opinions. The only difference is in degree.

• 38 Walksthrough // Nov 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm   

  Awen,

  not Hindus?

  Did you know, there is no such thing as no religion? We are either worshiping God, or we are worshiping demons. If we say, there is no God, we are fools. If we say, there is no demonic world seeking our worship of them as God, we are fools.

  There are natural born Americans today who demonstrate their understanding of American freedom and religious liberty by exhorting that Christians should be disenfranchised and jailed. This is in the same vein as associating preaching the gospel with prostitution. So I recognize your words for what they are, that is, of the world demonic.

  In America this is a pluralistic society. That means freedom of religion in the open, and freedom of the press. The liberals want the opposite: a totalitarian, fear-filled PC society, where we can no longer act in our own best interests (as the Bible stated would happen to those who reject God) and in public freedom of expression and exhortation, with a dominant toady press.

  I recommend reading Christ Among Other gods, by Erwin Lutzer. Any of his books are appropriate on questions about religious doctrines and why anybody proselytizes, another one is The Doctrines That Divide. Get going on it, and quit fooling around with invectives. They are useless.

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